Jon4470 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) I’m hoping that someone will be able to help me with a query regarding the North Eastern Railway steam reversing gear. I’m currently finishing off a model of the Raven A2 (No 2401). One area that I’m working on is the pipework (on the right hand side of the boiler) that controls the steam reverse. Two problems....most photos seem to be of the other side, and I don’t really know the prototype arrangement very well. The best photo that I have found is in North Eastern Record vol3. Although the Westinghouse pump gets in the way a bit, I have drawn up what I can see as: Does anyone one know if that is a correct interpretation of the photo? (With all due apologies for my poor engineering drawing skills!) Many thanks in advance for any help. Jon Edited September 30, 2023 by Jon4470 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) A2 here https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p658918074 Have you got the Yeadon volume ? I will have a look tomorrow if you have'nt. My A2, The rodding on the side was scratch built , DJH parts were very poor. Edited October 28, 2020 by micklner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) Hi Mick Lovely looking model. Thanks for the link to the photos. One of them in particular shows the detail I wanted - the one of 2403 at York c1936. I think your model model shows the situation after the steam reverse was replaced. The below photo (from a postcard that I have - sorry about the quality) shows the steam linkage coming down from the hand rail and then running above the middle splasher. The photo of 2403 on Rail Online is much more clear - I’ll be studying it this week! So, it looks to me that there was a lever in the cab that controlled a rod that passed through the centre of the handrail. The vertical and horizontal links that I see in the photos then, I guess, actuated a valve to admit steam to the reverser. Jon Edited September 30, 2023 by Jon4470 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Glad you found a decent photo. Mine still has a "pipe" in that area . As you said, much nearer the end, in my model's period. I look forward to some pictures of yours, in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2020 Do you want a better view of the pipework on this side of the engine, I have a number of JJ Cunningham negs of which ones of 2400 and 2403 are already in part scanned? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Blandford1969 said: Do you want a better view of the pipework on this side of the engine, I have a number of JJ Cunningham negs of which ones of 2400 and 2403 are already in part scanned? Thank you that would be very helpful. PM sent 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted October 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2020 Same basic reverser on the Q6, From Wikipedia. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/NER_LNER_BR_Q6_0-8-0_(30144374864).jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said: Hi Jon, PM sent. For others to enjoy here are a couple of negatives from the lens of JJ Cunningham, who was a Barrister in Edinburgh who took nearly 2500 negatives from the 1920s to 40s , mainly around Edinburgh, Carlisle and Annam with of course all of the diversity of the time. Among them of course were some of the NER Pacific's working into Edinburgh of which a few have been scanned. 2408 unsure where I hold the copyright on all these images which are not to be reproduced elsewhere without my agreement (sadly there has been one person who has not respected mine and other peoples copyright and thinks it should not matter or apply to them) I hope they are of use to anyone modelling these interesting pacifics Its 2403. Not 2408. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, DavidCBroad said: Its 2403. Not 2408. I always love it when you post information to help people and the response is not, thanks what lovely images but a curtly written reply. Next time I will keep them to PMs to save replies like yours. Yes this sort of reply does frustrate me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DavidCBroad said: I always love it when you post information to help people and the response is not, thanks for the information but a curtly written reply. It's 2403, Numbers ran from 2400–2404. It can only be 2403. To make it easy the images have been taken down., my apologies to other members that I feel this necessary but I do not come on here for responses in such a tone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Pulham Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Not specifically an A2, but this is how I did similar on a 7mm Gladiator B16 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 Many thanks to everyone for the photos. Apologies for the delayed response...I’ve just been very busy and pre-occupied with work at the back end of the week. I think I now have the information that I needed......just need a bit if time (and a clear head) to put it into practice. As a by product I have also been reminded to watch out for this detail on the next Q6 and B16 builds Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Hopefully of interest, I have others. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 A scan of a photocopy so obviously not the best. Original article the Journal of the HMRSoc c1985. There is also an in depth survey of these engines in the "North Eastern Express" the NERA quarterly news letter of a few years ago. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, micknich2003 said: A scan of a photocopy so obviously not the best. Original article the Journal of the HMRSoc c1985. There is also an in depth survey of these engines in the "North Eastern Express" the NERA quarterly news letter of a few years ago. Hello Mick Thanks for the photos - and the reminder about the North Eastern Express article. I have that one somewhere in my filing “system”......I think I need to be more diligent about noting down interesting/ useful articles! This scan is very useful because it’s broadside and the pipework isn’t in shadow. Interesting as well because there is no Westinghouse Brake pump even though it looks like the loco is brand new. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted November 8, 2020 Author Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) The weather has been lousy today so ( as an upside) I’ve put the reversing gear together. The overall view looks like this: Just like on the real thing, it is in shadow and indistinct The cruel close ups are: All put put together using wire, tube, scrap etch and some shoulderless hand rail knobs. Although the close ups reveal a few imperfections - I did try to get the levers from the handrail and the lower rod parallel - I don’t think they show when viewing the loco as a whole. I’ll give it a few days and look again. My worry is that if I touch any of this with a soldering iron I’ll end up back at square one! Next step will be to work out the Westinghouse brake pump and plumbing. Edited September 30, 2023 by Jon4470 2 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Finally made some progress with the pump. A photo in North Eastern Express shows no 2400 in photographic grey and clearly shows the backing plate for the pump. So I cut some scrap etch to size and added a 1mm strip to the bottom to represent the bracket that held the plate to the footplate. I’ll add rivets later from Archers transfers. I had a Westinghouse house pump from Markits in the spares box that seemed to be the correct size - the original on the loco was a bit undernourished. After a fruitless attempt to solder the pump to the backing plate - one of those times when I knew I shouldn’t have tried but still did - tonight I pinned the pump to the backing plate with a piece of wire inserted into drilled holes in the pump and plate. A further piece of vertical wire behind the plate gives a secure fixing to the footplate. A small step forward! The assembly is just resting there at the moment. I’ll be fitting the pipe runs next and that will be easier off the loco. The nicely turned pipes and flanges on the pump will have to come off - they’re too big! The hand rail is supposed to curve around the top of the pump.......that is one modification that I won’t Be doing Jon Edited September 30, 2023 by Jon4470 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Might be easier to add after painting ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, micklner said: Might be easier to add after painting ? Thanks Mick, that’s a good idea. It’s the sort of thing that I do naturally with plastic kits (paint sub assemblies then glue together) Somehow with metal kits I always end up soldering everything and then painting. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Jon or anyone else ??. Just started a LRM kit of the LNER B16 . The Steam Reverser has been simply ignored in the kit. Does anyone have close up photos of its layout?, as nearly all of the above photos are sadly AWOL . Thanks Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, micklner said: Jon or anyone else ??. Just started a LRM kit of the LNER B16 . The Steam Reverser has been simply ignored in the kit. Does anyone have close up photos of its layout?, as nearly all of the above photos are sadly AWOL . Thanks Mick Did the B16s have steam reversing gear, I always thought they were more like that on a D20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted September 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Try this one: https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p114460009/h13e6779b#h13e6779b The preserved Q7 has the same layout. Sadly I took just about everything else but the reverser: A couple more from Flickr (not mine) from Gillett's Crossing and Keith Clark respectively: Simon Edited September 28, 2023 by 65179 Added Flickr images 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted September 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2023 For a B16/1 this is the best I could find. The rebuilds of got screw reversers by the looks of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said: For a B16/1 this is the best I could find. The rebuilds of got screw reversers by the looks of it The Steam Reverser was on the other side of the Loco. Thanks for photo, the Cab details are a great help. Ta Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 27/09/2023 at 18:13, micklner said: Jon or anyone else ??. Just started a LRM kit of the LNER B16 . The Steam Reverser has been simply ignored in the kit. Does anyone have close up photos of its layout?, as nearly all of the above photos are sadly AWOL . Thanks Mick Hi Mick I have a couple of easily available photos. my A2 model ended up like this…(I know you should not model a model🙂) One of the missing photos was this.. apologies that it’s a poor quality photo I’ll have a dig around to see if I have any other photos….especially the B16. Jon 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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