Alex H Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Hi. I want to buy a Hornby 4472 Flying Scotsman which needs to be DCC with sound. is the R3284TTS DDC Sound Flying Scotsman any good or should I go for a DCC ready loco and fit a better decoder. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Alex H said: Hi. I want to buy a Hornby 4472 Flying Scotsman which needs to be DCC with sound. is the R3284TTS DDC Sound Flying Scotsman any good or should I go for a DCC ready loco and fit a better decoder. Thanks It depends on what you yourself find acceptable and how much you are prepared to pay. Hornby steam sound TTS decoders emit a constant beat even as speed rises and falls and the speed increases in steps rather than continuously. It’s only my personal view but I hate Hornby TTS steam decoders and I would chose something better but more expensive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) FS is a 3 cylinder loco and thus emits 6 exhuast beats for each revolution of the driving wheels when steam is being supplied to the cylinders. The frequency of the beats must increase in correct time according to the driving wheel revolution. To make matters more complex, the Gresley 3 cylinder locos used his own design of 'conjugated' valve gear, with the gear for the middle cylinder driven by linkage from the outside Walchearts. This was difficult to set up with the requisite degree of accuracy if the loco had any signifcant mileage (and express pacifics built up mileage quickly) wear, as it depended on the valve events of all 3 cylinders being in sync, which led in service to a distinct 'Gresley beat', a sort of synchopation that was very familiar to anyone living within earshot of any route that Gresley 3 cylinder locos worked over. In good condition with mimimal wear, it was superbly efficient and one of the reasons for the success of the locos, but would go 'off the boil' after a while. I am not an expert in DCC matters, but would have thought that buying the loco 'DCC ready' and fitting a 3rd party decoder (or having one fitted) would give better results, and might save you money as well; of course, it is a bit more faff. Edited March 28, 2021 by The Johnster 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 If its any use to you I made a video where I use my Hornby FS with a TTS decoder to show off the JMRI software, for a budget chip I find them ok and serve a purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Hi. I have been looking through old catalogues in an effort to find out if Hornby have ever produced a loco drive model of Flying Scotsman as first preserved by Alan Pegler. ie A3 boiler, single chimney, banjo dome, corridor tender, 4472? The most recent I can find is R2261 but that is tender driven with a somewhat distorted tender top. Thanks. Roger. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Try R2687 or R2953. 'Google is your friend' as they say! I have R2687 and it's a superb (loco-driven, Chinese built) runner. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 R2953 is as preserved but with her USA tour Appendages. R3738 is the same but with gold plated finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy100 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) This is R3443 - which I think is the latest Hornby Flying Scotsman - DCC Ready, with, I assume, everything in the tender - so plenty of room for decoder and speaker of choice. IMG_0747 by Barry Clayton, on Flickr Edited September 14, 2021 by Bulleidboy100 amendment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Bulleidboy100 said: This is R3443 - which I think is the latest Hornby Flying Scotsman - DCC Ready, with, I assume, everything in the tender - so plenty of room for decoder and speaker of choice. IMG_0747 by Barry Clayton, on Flickr Not as preserved by Pegler in 1963 though. That’s as she came out of service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flittersnoop Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Gilwell Park said: Hi. I have been looking through old catalogues in an effort to find out if Hornby have ever produced a loco drive model of Flying Scotsman as first preserved by Alan Pegler. ie A3 boiler, single chimney, banjo dome, corridor tender, 4472? The most recent I can find is R2261 but that is tender driven with a somewhat distorted tender top. Thanks. Roger. I have been waiting for the same thing, as it gives the excuse of running a loco in Apple Green livery alongside BR standards and diesels - given the vast number of models of 4472 that Hornby churns out, you would have thought that they'd have done that version. I even bought a tender-drive loco body with a view to butchering it to fit on the new Railroad chassis, but so far haven't plucked up the courage. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 This is the R2687 I mentioned earlier - +/- precisely as Pegler had her I believe? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Deleted as I've realised that what I'd written had already been said. Edited September 14, 2021 by JamieR4489 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, atom3624 said: This is the R2687 I mentioned earlier - +/- precisely as Pegler had her I believe? Al. No she had red nameplates and green cylinder covers with Pegler. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: No she had red nameplates and green cylinder covers with Pegler. I think this was only after its second overhaul for Pegler at Darlington - circa 1965. When first restored at Doncaster it had the black plates and cylinders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Pre-Pegler she was with German deflectors, Brunswick Green and double chimney. The USA tour Scotsman is R3738 - red plates and green painted cylinders. The Oz tour Scotsman is mine, R2687 - black plates and cylinders - McAlpine owned. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 R2687 appears to be the correct version, but unfortunately as rare as hens teeth & priced accordingly. Come on Hornby, sure to be popular. Thanks for the help. Roger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Unless it's urgent I would wait until they do another one using the new tooling. That's why A3s in general have been a bit thin on the ground over the last couple of years. Maybe see what's happening in the next announcement? You'll be paying an arm and a leg for some of these Limited Editions. You also won't have Eddie The Eagle wanting to borrow it to practice ski jumps..... Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 There's a new edition with metal running board - intention is to remove the 'ski jump' appearance of the plastic one. Mine isn't that obvious is it? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 The Aussie limited edition has an A4 boiler (albeit with an A3 dome position). In Peglar years she had an A3 boiler. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 A colour picture in the January 1964 Railway magazine shows black cylinders & red nameplates. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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