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On 10/09/2021 at 15:25, Woodcock29 said:

The V front to the cab is strange as it appears Bachmann have moulded a 'boiler band' to the front of the V adjacent to where it meets the firebox. This is not evident in any prototype photos. I'm not sure black and white lining will hide that. However, if like some other recent Bachmann models the body can be disassembled it might be possible to remove it?

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The front smokebox door hinges are also missing the distinctive "horns" that limit the opening:

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In fairness to Gilbert I guess we should be commenting on this model in a Bachmann thread rather than clutter up Peterborough North.

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2 hours ago, MikeTrice said:

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I've had another look while wearing my extreme close up glasses, and with plenty of light. I think the answer is quite simply that the two components, firebox and cab, just don't meet up absolutely flush. I got my Hornby A2/2 out and looked at the join on that, and once again, there is just a very slight gap. Something the manufacturing process can't quite deal with, maybe?

 

With a kit built loco, one would deal with this with filler or soldering of the seam, but neither can be done with plastic, I think. Not very well phrased, was it? Even I wouldn't try to solder plastic.

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On 08/09/2021 at 08:08, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

This may be a A2/2.........but, interesting.

 

manna

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Well, I was completely not hunting for it, but after seeing this photo on Saturday, the following last segment of video struck me as VERY familiar! Just magic stuff.

The link is time cued so should play right at the appropriate time. If not, it is the very last scene, around 24:50.

 

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5 hours ago, MikeTrice said:

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A most interesting photo. Thanks Mike looks like I was wrong about the 'band' on the edge of the V.

The only time I've seen 4771 was my first trip back to UK in 1981. The photos then were slides although I took a range of views I've not yet bothered to find them - looks like I should!

 

Its interesting the handrails are black - I've always imagined they were green on the green parts of a loco.

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4 hours ago, 69843 said:

Well, I was completely not hunting for it, but after seeing this photo on Saturday, the following last segment of video struck me as VERY familiar! Just magic stuff.

The link is time cued so should play right at the appropriate time. If not, it is the very last scene, around 24:50.

 

The stock in the A2/2s train is incredible!
Is that a Coronation twin at the front, still in blue and white livery, followed by a Thompson corridor in painted teak livery, as well as two Gresley sleeping cars?
Remarkable.
Chris.
 

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1 hour ago, Sandhole said:

The stock in the A2/2s train is incredible!
Is that a Coronation twin at the front, still in blue and white livery, followed by a Thompson corridor in painted teak livery, as well as two Gresley sleeping cars?
Remarkable.
Chris.
 

and a 'Banker'? If so, why?

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On 13/09/2021 at 10:11, MikeTrice said:

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I think the problem (and there is a problem) is that Bachmann have made more of a 'feature' of this than exists on the prototype. They have made the piece (handily painted black on 4771) in two parts, one on the firebox the other on the cab. The cab part is far too heavily rendered (heavier than the previous model). This significantly alters the look of the cab. This visual issue plus the issue with the smokebox, the chunky looking rods and valve gear plus the small looking cabside  windows (and the curious choice of glazing the second window)  have led me to cancel my pre order. Not saying I wont buy one but want to see it in the flesh first. The tender wheel mistake is disappointing and should have been picked up. The price is what the manufacturer chooses to charge, I have no issue with that but it is strong when compared to the newly announced Brush Type 4/ Class 47 which has a significantly higher specification and greater attention to detail than is evident with the V2.

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59 minutes ago, great northern said:

At Platform 3, we now see the 3.58 Grantham local, a job for a shabby local B1.

 

 

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Is that Bachmann? It's was never a poor model. Thanks for posting.

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On 12/09/2021 at 22:00, great northern said:

60501 again this evening, in black and white, and resting at Platform 3.

 

 

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This has been a frustrating day. I have to change the identity of my lovely new V2, as it is too late for 1958, so I've been looking for suitable locos that it could become. There weren't all that many with outside steam pipes by 1958, and I soon found that most of those that had them were north east based, the majority at Heaton. Was there some secret arrangement between that shed and Darlington works, I wonder?As Heaton engines were rarely seen south of New England, they were out, and when I narrowed it down more I was left with just three to choose from, 60821 of Grantham, 60856 of York, or 60859 of Copley Hill. I have plenty of southern area V2s, so a York one for the KX Goods to Dringhouses Class Cs seemed a good idea.

 

I'd already spent some time looking for a 1958 image of 60856, but neither my quite extensive book collection nor the Internet came up with any. This afternoon though I found one more book I had overlooked, and there was a 1959 photo of 60856...... with a flared tender. The one I reviewed, and which I get to keep, has a straight sided one of course. Tracking back to 856's last overhaul, it became clear there wouldn't have been a tender change between then and 1959, so that's that. 184 engines,and only 11 flared tenders. One of those stayed with the same engine all its life, so there were only 10 that could frustrate me, and against high odds, one did.

 

So 60859 it will be. That shed did also have braked goods diagrams to London, and I have a good and relaible image showing it with a straight sided tender in my period, so that's OK. Took quite a while to get there though.

Good morning Gilbert,

 

How common were Ardsley-based V2s at PN? 

 

There's a splendid picture of 60846 reversing off Grantham shed, facing south, in August 1958 in the latest BookLaw book I mentioned on the class (the caption says it's running on to the shed, but it's in reverse gear). In the shot, it's the same as your model - outside steam pipes and straight-sided tender. It's very dirty, and has AWS fitted. A possible contender for Tim's handiwork? 

 

In the same book (every V2 is illustrated) on the next page is a shot of 60847 in exactly the same, ex-works condition as your new model; taken in November 1961!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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A great thing about all this discussion of tender wheels is that I will never be able to see a photo of an engine in the future without checking to see what kind is being used!  I promise.

The other strange thing I had never heard of was "St. Peter's School" until idly googling the web, came across the fact that my father had been a pupil there in 1921.

 

I think I will have to put this engine on my wishlist.

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Thanks 60027Merlin. This is what I mean when I say the join between the firebox and the cab front is over emphasised and makes the front windows looked squashed. Doesn’t capture the clean Gresley lines for me (or to put it wan other way if Thompson had designed the V2s lol ) 

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2 hours ago, Edward said:

A great thing about all this discussion of tender wheels is that I will never be able to see a photo of an engine in the future without checking to see what kind is being used!  I promise.

The other strange thing I had never heard of was "St. Peter's School" until idly googling the web, came across the fact that my father had been a pupil there in 1921.

 

I think I will have to put this engine on my wishlist.

Without wishing to be unduly contentious, may I ask this. If  you discovered the tender wheels to be the wrong type, would that alone cause you to decide not to buy a model? My view is that on any RTR model there will be things that are wrong. They may be mistakes by the manufacturer in the tooling process, lack of proper research, or quite possibly things in the manufacturing process that just aren't able to reproduce some detail with complete fidelity. There is the question of cost too. Will any sane manufacturer go to extreme lengths to get every single detail correct, even if it is possible, if the result will be that the price will be so high that prospective purchasers in droves will be put off buying?

 

In the case of the Bachmann V2, one has to look closely to see what type the tender wheels are. Does the fact that they may be the wrong type unduly detract from the overall impression of the model?  And is that sufficient to cause a decision not to buy it? That has to come down to a matter of personal preference, and I would suggest that it is not going to concern the majority of prospective purchasers.

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