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SPAs - I think I've seen some in Aldwarke from a passing train this year, and I'm pretty sure there were a couple in Tinsley Yard (or what's left of it) when I cycled past at the weekend. Whether either of those were in main line use or internal/dumped I couldn't say.

Haven't been to see the Aldwarke-Stocksbridge at all recently, which used to convey a right mix of wagons.

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10 hours ago, russ p said:

No much left of the BR four wheel wagon fleet at all now

I take it all the vans have gone? 

Sad thing is hardly any of it has been saved 

There has been a regular flow of rod coil in VGAs/ VKAs from CELSA in Cardiff to Burton-on-Trent very recently. There may be VGAs/ VKAs on MoD work.

 

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Thanks to everyone for the updates.

It looks like the four-wheelers are still hanging on.

Probably best to revisit this thread at least annually from now on rather than wait another 10 years!

 

Can anybody pin down which were the last four-wheel revenue wagons to be constructed from new in the UK (excluding Departmental conversions and transfers)?

 

I would hazard a guess at PCAs from the early eighties.

 

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The last of BR's airbraked Speed link wagons were built in the early years of the 1980s.

 

The PFA container flats (as per the Accurascale model) were built by Standard Wagon from 1986 until '88.

The similar Procar built ones date to around 1986/7.

Powell Duffryn and Standard wagon were both building POA scrap wagons in 1989.

 

I can't think of any more recent 4wh new builds but there were plenty of engineers conversions from ex-revenue stock.

 

There were 4-axle twin ferry vans built in mainland Europe in 1989.

 

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By way of a bit if a New Year review, I thought I would resurrect this thread to reflect the current position with remaining 4-wheel wagons on the network.

 

I am guessing that the imminent Wascosa/GBRf modular bogie box wagons will see off the remaining infrastructure fleet of Coalfish and other fishkinds.  Similarly, some 4-wheel PCAs could be for the chop following recent delivery of new JPAs but maybe some cement works can't take larger wagons.

 

So what of the following is still in revenue service from last year's list:

 

TTA - all out of use?

TUA - all out of use?

PAA - Sand traffic

PCA - Cement traffic from Peak Forest (RMC) Earles, Oxwellmains (Blue Circle) Ketton, Clitheroe (Castle) - Alumina from North Blyth

PFA - DRS Low Level Waste

PGA - Aggregates

PHA - Aggregates (self discharge train wagons) - Scrapped?

PNA - Plasmor blockfreight

CDA - China clay on local trips to Fowey

IVA/IZA - Single/Twin cargowaggon

IFA - Transfesa intermodal flats

IFA - STVA 4 unit vehicle flats

IPA - Assorted STVA car carriers, single and bilevel in variously 1, 2 and 4 unit sets

MEA - any still in use?

OAA - Concrete blocks from the Mendips - is this still running?

OCA - MOD traffic

REA - Runner wagons for steel traffic

SSA - Scrap traffic

SEA/SPA - Wire coil traffic

VGA/VKA - Any in use for MOD traffic?

 

Any additions or corrections would greatly assist with bringing the list up to date.

 

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I think the Kings Lynn to S Yorks sand all went over to bogie wagons from Nacco. See https://www.railjournal.com/freight/gb-railfreight-to-lease-new-greenbrier-wagons/ I saw these in Doncaster fairly recently. 

not sure if there are any other flows for PAAs. 
 

Cement PCAs definitely still in use from Hope to Dewsbury in December 2021, (including wagon no. 11111!)

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3 hours ago, warringtonbankquay said:

OAA - Concrete blocks from the Mendips - is this still running?

Nope, hasn't run for quite a few years. Would be different wagons if it still did anyway as they were EWS/ DB owned wagons so wouldn't have transferred to Freightliner operation.

 

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10 hours ago, Railfreight1998 said:

The Belmont yard - Angerstein spoil trains that used SSAs seem to have now gone over to megabox wagons, as has the Tidal - Masborough flow.

 

Don't think there is any traffic still using the MEA boxes anymore.

 

The TTA/TUA tanks have now all been withdrawn too I believe.

 

I saw a train of MEAs recently and was surprised to see it but can't remember where it was!

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