RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 24, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, toboldlygo said: Like Clarence's? Yes and another comedy genius. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post gwrrob Posted July 24, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 Well it appears I was given the wrong loco information this morning and it's actually the Dapol mogul being released in September. Shewn before but I can't resist this photo of 7316 seen near Exeter [home shed] in GWR days. This will whet the appetite. Four coaches looks so right behind these. 16 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Bridge Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 What a fine selection of stock! Is the third coach “Bow Ended”? Rich 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 Not sure what Hattons are up to Robin. I have both the Dapol Prairie and Mogul on pre-order. This morning I got the standard pre-order notification....”Prairie now expected in September”.........followed about an hour later by all manner of details about the Mogul.....due September...encouraging me to order if I hadnt pre-ordered... I guess someone got a bit muddled. Regardless I am really looking forward to the Mogul.....my split chassis expired some years ago. You are right they will look great with a 4 coach set Cheers John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 24, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just checked the details on that mogul , 7316 and it really is very late GWR with steam pipes fitted. The Dapol option will be the shirt-button version for this. As mentioned on another thread Dapol has chosen the GWR version to have a smokebox number but no pipes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 4 hours ago, gwrrob said: Well it appears I was given the wrong loco information this morning and it's actually the Dapol mogul being released in September. Shewn before but I can't resist this photo of 7316 seen near Exeter [home shed] in GWR days. This will whet the appetite. Four coaches looks so right behind these. I bought a copy of that photo a while back (and unsurprisingly ended up finishing my Mitchell mogul as this loco) very interesting formation, I think we had coach two as being an exLNWR example while no3 is a centenary. Can’t remember 1 or 4 but the formation is on my to do list. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 hours ago, gwrrob said: the Dapol mogul being released in September. Excellent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 4 hours ago, john dew said: my split chassis expired some years ago My chassis is fine but the wheels are shot. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Was it only the late batch of Moguls that had the outside steam pipes? Or were they added later on in their life? If not, wouldn't that mean the shirtbutton release has the incorrect number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 The Dapol number is correct re the outside pipes with shirt button but care is needed on any renumber as I'm finding out. The RCTS volume for two cylinder classes that features this class has the dates of fitting and whether they had them at all. Some of the class had the tablet catcher fitted for use on the Barnstaple branch too. Always happy to check for anyone. Another detail to watch on these is the safety valve which became the short in version the mid 20s. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4326 and 6365? I'm seeing 4326 with outside steam pipes added in 1930 on the brdatabase.info. Don't know about 6365 though. What book is the RCTS volume 1? Looks like that is something I should have in my collection. Do you also know of good GWR wagon books? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 The Dapol model is only suitable for numbers 5390- 7321. Details found in RCTS part 9. 6365 had them [pipes] from built in 1925. The definite GWR wagon bible is the Atkins et al book, I don't have it but I know a man who does. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Was there any inside steam pipe Moguls still around in 47'? Mainly around Swindon and Bristol? Reading through some online pages, why wouldn't the Dapol version work for anything older? Something to do with the cab length and slight changes for better weight distribution? Thank you for the recommendation for the GWR Wagon bible Any other GWR books that are a must have? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 How about Swindon's 6360 which didn't get pipes till '56. http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/260_6300det.htm I also see Chester had 6337 in '47 Mr @john dew. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It is another of the GWR class that is suppose to be standard but is anything but. I assume Dapol have chosen a 63Xx series at there were few alterations into BR days. 43xx. 88 of this group did not exist after 1939 as they had supplied parts for Grange and Manors. Earlier 43xx had shorter cabs/frames etc 53xx large numbers had an extra casting added behind the buffer beam to put weight on the front pony wheel Both 43/53 had a longer centre splasher on the drivers side. The motion bracket on some of the earlier batches is much bigger than the 63xx. Dapol are playing safe and who can blame them, Mike Wiltshire 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 That's a good choice with 6360, it'll be close enough for my area I would like to model in! Thank you! What about any inside steam pipe Moguls between Bristol and Southhampton? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, Ribird said: What about any inside steam pipe Moguls between Bristol and Southhampton? 6377 and 6394 had inside pipes in our period and were Taunton based. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 43 minutes ago, gwrrob said: 6377 and 6394 had inside pipes in our period and were Taunton based. Thank you! And yes, same period as well, yet I'm planning on being a bit lenient on what runs and doesn't! (Rule #1 ) Now we just need a 1000 Class County made to recent standards! I would also by a fictitious GWR livery 15xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, gwrrob said: How about Swindon's 6360 which didn't get pipes till '56. http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/260_6300det.htm I also see Chester had 6337 in '47 Mr @john dew. Thanks Robin So 6337 was without pipes in ‘47? Chester also had 6380......and I have bought the plates to renumber the shirt button 6385........when you have a moment perhaps you could check if this is yet another occasion when I have to apply Rule1.......I did check my usual reference gwr.org and perhaps mistakenly assumed its pipes were fitted on or before 1947 Best wishes John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 Sorry John but 6380 received pipes in '44 but you're ok with 6337 [1951] If it's any consolation I had to change my number, thanks to @BenL for my forthcoming pannier after buying the plates too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Sorry John but 6380 received pipes in '44 but you're ok with 6337 [1951] If it's any consolation I had to change my number, thanks to @BenL for my forthcoming pannier after buying the plates too. No .....thats perfect.....its the shirt button with steam pipes that I have on pre-order! Once my budget has got over the hit of Prairies and this Mogul I will be very tempted to buy the GWR livery model.....change the door and re number to 6337. I was astonished how many Moguls were at Chester when I read the Lyons shed book Is that the black pannier you are referring too? I would / should have one but I have rather a lot already Many thanks for the info. Best wishes John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, john dew said: Is that the black pannier you are referring too? I would / should have one but I have rather a lot already Yes, watch this space next week. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) I think I found the right shed for my “area.” That being Westbury. So here is what I found, if correct. Dates in brackets are for outside steam pipes fitted. 6314 [?] 6351 [?] 6365 [Fitted as built] 6368 [?] 6369 [?] 6374 [1948] 6399 [1947] Would the question marks be built with outside pipes? Any good place to find the layout of Westbury shed? Thanks for the help everyone! Edited July 25, 2020 by Ribird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Ribird said: Any good place to find the layout of Westbury shed? Thanks for the help everyone! My layout is based on Westbury in the mid 1930's. From my research, here is the 63XX allocation for the area in my time period. Weymouth's large allocation of moguls would often be seen on Westbury shed as they worked many of the passenger trains as far a Westbury, before extra carriages being added and the loco changed to a Saint, Star, Hall for the journey to Paddington. The shed plan is available in Historical Survey of Great Western Engine sheds page 94. The shed complex occupies a large area with the turntable hidden behind the main shed buildings. Allocation in 1947 was 6314,51,65,68 & 69 Mike Wiltshire 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Ribird said: I think I found the right shed for my “area.” That being Westbury. So here is what I found, if correct. Dates in brackets are for outside steam pipes fitted. 6314 [?] 6351 [?] 6365 [Fitted as built] 6368 [?] 6369 [?] 6374 [1948] 6399 [1947] 6314 [never fitted] 6351 [1949] 6368 [1946] 6369 [ 1956] 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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