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'Ambiguous Hall ' might be a good choice of name then.I wonder what tender it will have.

 

"Sod Hall" would be more appropriate !!

 

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Got the newsletter today apparently 'Star' Knight of the Grand Cross has been released.

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"Sod Hall" would be more appropriate !!

 

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Folke Hall.

 

Arsene Hall would be the missing Hall Class engine.

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What do you mean a pushed back date? It is in stock now at Hornby and Kernow Model Rail Centre

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Today I received Hornby's October e-newsletter. It's October 25. It would make more sense for this to be titled November. Instead it just feels like it's been delayed, much like their stock list I guess.

Well it's in October isn't it.  Trouble is we've got used to model railway mags coming out with cover dates that seem more related to the following month or occasionally the one after that!

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What do you mean a pushed back date? It is in stock now at Hornby and Kernow Model Rail Centre

Well that's put a cat amongst the pigeons...

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Well it's in October isn't it.  Trouble is we've got used to model railway mags coming out with cover dates that seem more related to the following month or occasionally the one after that!

 

Try computer magazines - they have reached the ridiculous situation of the issue published in October being labelled 'December' (and most of them are the same as none of them want to look out of date).

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Well it's in October isn't it.  Trouble is we've got used to model railway mags coming out with cover dates that seem more related to the following month or occasionally the one after that!

I still haven't got used to it, the amount of times I've bought one I've already got because I couldn't remember the the cover picture.

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Can we expect a flood of arrivals in the next 6 weeks?

 

I certainly hope it will be a good Christmas for Hornby, I particularly look forward to seeing pictures of the Great Gathering engines from actual ordinary buyers!

 

The possible arrival of the Duke of Gloucester before Christmas is exciting too, and reminds me of other releases in previous years when such events spread into the late-December-early January period.

 

Fingers crossed. (and yet you would THINK that the shippers knew where the relevant containers were right now)

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Comment from the box-shifter that I visited on Saturday morning was that DoG would not materialise until 2014 whereas the Bachmann 2-4-2T would arrive within the next two weeks.  I didn't dare ask about the J11.

 

We shall see. . . .

 

Stan.

 

Can we expect a flood of arrivals in the next 6 weeks?

I certainly hope it will be a good Christmas for Hornby, I particularly look forward to seeing pictures of the Great Gathering engines from actual ordinary buyers!

The possible arrival of the Duke of Gloucester before Christmas is exciting too, and reminds me of other releases in previous years when such events spread into the late-December-early January period.

Fingers crossed. (and yet you would THINK that the shippers knew where the relevant containers were right now)

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A few weeks have now passed since I last updated the list of anticipated release dates, so here goes...

 

The first date shows the anticipated date or release as of October 2nd.

The 2nd column shows any changes as of 16th October.

The 3rd, and final column, shows the situation as per the Hornby trade website on the evening of November 10th 2013.

 

R1171,      FLIGHT OF THE MALLARD,              14/10/2013       NOW 18/11/2013        NOW 06/12/2013

R1172,      THE e-LINK MAJESTIC CONTROL,        29/10/2013       NOW 25/11/2013        UNCHANGED (25/11/2013)

R2784X,     BR CLASS A4 MALLARD,                29/11/2013       NOW 29/12/2013        NOW 20/12/2013

R2920X,     LNER CLASS B17/1 'SANDRINGHAM',     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3019,      BR (LATE) GRANGE CLASS WEATHERED,   06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3099,      GREEN NRM FLYING SCOTSMAN,          25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3103,      BR BITTERN DOUBLE TENDER SP ED,     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3105,      GWR CASTLE WELLINGTON (S'CHIMNEY),  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3114,      BR (LATE) B1 61270,                 06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3115,      BR UNREBUILT WEST COUNTRY EXETER,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3118,      BR CASTLE 'PENRICE CASTLE',         09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3124,      BR CLASS 42XX 4266,                 04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3125,      GWR CLASS 52 XX # 5274,             04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3127,      GWR CLASS 72XX #7202,               04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3127X,     GWR CLASS 72XX DCC FITTED # 7202,   28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3128,      BR CLASS 72XX # 7229,               04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3133,      EAST COAST MAINLINE TRAIN PACK,     16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3138,      BR HST WESTERN REGION,              16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3160XS,    BR LATE 'WINCANTON' WEST COUNTRY,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3161A,     SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      14/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3161AX,    SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      18/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162A,     BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      07/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162AX,    BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      08/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3166,      GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 2/12/2013

R3166X,     GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 2/12/2013

R3167,      BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013      

R3167X,     BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013   

R3168,      DUKE OF GLOUCESTER 4-6-2,           22/11/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3178,      NCB PO 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3179,      ESSO SENTINEL 0-4-0 SENTINEL,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3180,      TARMAC 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3185,      SOUTHERN CLASS 395  TRAIN PACK,     21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R3191,      BR CL8 SP ED DUKE OF GLOUCESTER,    09/12/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3192,      HERITAGE RAIL EXPRESS TRAIN PACK,   09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3196,      THE GATHERING MALLARD,              01/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3197,      THE GATHERING DOMINION OF CANADA,   18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3198,      THE GATHERING UNION OF SOUTH AFRI,  25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3199,      THE GATHERING BITTERN,              11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3200,      THE GATHERING DWIGHT EISENHOWER,    25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3201,      THE GATHERING SIR NIGEL GRESLEY,    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R4333,      LNER TEAK BRAKE,                    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4350,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4351,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4352,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 14/11/2013

R4353,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      04/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4354,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4355,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4518A,     LNER GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,   11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4522A,     BR  GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,    01/10/2013       Now 11/11/2013 RELEASED, FURTHER BATCH 02/12/2013

R4531B,     BR 61'6 (inch) FULL BRAKE,          28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4531C,     LNER GRESLEY FULL BRAKE #2,         28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4534A,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R4534B,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R4536B,     BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4540,      EAST COAST MAINLINE 1ST CLASS MK4,  29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4542,      EAST COAST MAINLINE BUFFET CAR,     29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4566,      BR EX LNER 61'6” CORRIDOR BRAKE,    28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4585,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR BLUE,         18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4586,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR RED,          18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6577,      PRESTWICH TARMACADAM 4 PLANK,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6579,      THE NEWMARKET CO-OP 4 PLANK,        16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6581,      MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY DEPT 4 PLK,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6586,      CAMBRIAN WAGON WORKS 21 TON WAGON,  12/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6588,      5 PLK WAGON EDWIN W. BADLAND,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6592,      4 PLK WAGON FLEETWOOD IND CO-OP,    16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6597,      5 PLK WAGON HOPTON-WOOD STONE,      16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6623,      BR HORSE BOX EX GWR,                16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6624,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN X3,              18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638A,     BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6639,      BR 12 PARCELS VAN SPVA,             11/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6640,      LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6640A,     LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6641,      BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6641A,     BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6644,      Hornby 2013 WAGON,                  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R8312,      E-LINK + RAILMASTER + 1 Amp PSU,    11/11/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

 

 

Whilst many dates remain unchanged, most of these are already in December, and often later in the month when the Hornby Christmas shutdown will already be in force.

 

There are few releases for November, and I await an official notice from Margate to tell us which of the above will miss Christmas and arrive in 2014. We retailers need to let our customers know what Santa will not be bringing them!

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I am looking forward to BR 'Glastonbury Abbey' arriving in a week. Approximately. Hopefully...

 

Until then I shall enjoy models I have already purchased, including many recently bought second-hand, because it is my expectation that prices will rise considerably in the next 1-3 years for super-detail models at least.

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It would certainly raise a chuckle (with me anyway!) if the R6644 Hornby 2013 wagon slipped into 2014! I wonder would they discount it then?

The people who buy such things will buy it anyway to have the 'set' irrespective of when it becomes available. If it slipped into 2014, Hornby could raise the price and the demand wouldn't change.

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Instead of buying any of the Great Gathering , today I bought this; a first foray for me into weathered A4s...

 

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and this...

 

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not to mention an older model, early 2000s, sympathetically weathered, I wonder how the unrebuilt Bulleids would be received in today's market? With a plethora of parts to be fitted by the owner including 6 white route code discs and the very flimsy front steps and external brake rods.

 

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note; a couple of these pics already very slightly modified.

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A few weeks have now passed since I last updated the list of anticipated release dates, so here goes...

 

The first date shows the anticipated date or release as of October 2nd.

The 2nd column shows any changes as of 16th October.

The 3rd, and final column, shows the situation as per the Hornby trade website on the evening of November 10th 2013.

 

R1171,      FLIGHT OF THE MALLARD,              14/10/2013       NOW 18/11/2013        NOW 06/12/2013

R1172,      THE e-LINK MAJESTIC CONTROL,        29/10/2013       NOW 25/11/2013        UNCHANGED (25/11/2013)

R2784X,     BR CLASS A4 MALLARD,                29/11/2013       NOW 29/12/2013        NOW 20/12/2013

R2920X,     LNER CLASS B17/1 'SANDRINGHAM',     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3019,      BR (LATE) GRANGE CLASS WEATHERED,   06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3099,      GREEN NRM FLYING SCOTSMAN,          25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3103,      BR BITTERN DOUBLE TENDER SP ED,     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3105,      GWR CASTLE WELLINGTON (S'CHIMNEY),  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3114,      BR (LATE) B1 61270,                 06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3115,      BR UNREBUILT WEST COUNTRY EXETER,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3118,      BR CASTLE 'PENRICE CASTLE',         09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3124,      BR CLASS 42XX 4266,                 04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3125,      GWR CLASS 52 XX # 5274,             04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3127,      GWR CLASS 72XX #7202,               04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3127X,     GWR CLASS 72XX DCC FITTED # 7202,   28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3128,      BR CLASS 72XX # 7229,               04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3133,      EAST COAST MAINLINE TRAIN PACK,     16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3138,      BR HST WESTERN REGION,              16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3160XS,    BR LATE 'WINCANTON' WEST COUNTRY,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3161A,     SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      14/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3161AX,    SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      18/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162A,     BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      07/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162AX,    BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      08/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3166,      GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 2/12/2013

R3166X,     GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 2/12/2013

R3167,      BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013      

R3167X,     BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013   

R3168,      DUKE OF GLOUCESTER 4-6-2,           22/11/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3178,      NCB PO 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3179,      ESSO SENTINEL 0-4-0 SENTINEL,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3180,      TARMAC 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3185,      SOUTHERN CLASS 395  TRAIN PACK,     21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R3191,      BR CL8 SP ED DUKE OF GLOUCESTER,    09/12/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3192,      HERITAGE RAIL EXPRESS TRAIN PACK,   09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3196,      THE GATHERING MALLARD,              01/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3197,      THE GATHERING DOMINION OF CANADA,   18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3198,      THE GATHERING UNION OF SOUTH AFRI,  25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3199,      THE GATHERING BITTERN,              11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3200,      THE GATHERING DWIGHT EISENHOWER,    25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3201,      THE GATHERING SIR NIGEL GRESLEY,    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R4333,      LNER TEAK BRAKE,                    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4350,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4351,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4352,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 14/11/2013

R4353,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      04/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4354,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4355,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4518A,     LNER GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,   11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4522A,     BR  GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,    01/10/2013       Now 11/11/2013 RELEASED, FURTHER BATCH 02/12/2013

R4531B,     BR 61'6 (inch) FULL BRAKE,          28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4531C,     LNER GRESLEY FULL BRAKE #2,         28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4534A,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R4534B,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R4536B,     BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4540,      EAST COAST MAINLINE 1ST CLASS MK4,  29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4542,      EAST COAST MAINLINE BUFFET CAR,     29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4566,      BR EX LNER 61'6” CORRIDOR BRAKE,    28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4585,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR BLUE,         18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4586,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR RED,          18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6577,      PRESTWICH TARMACADAM 4 PLANK,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6579,      THE NEWMARKET CO-OP 4 PLANK,        16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6581,      MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY DEPT 4 PLK,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6586,      CAMBRIAN WAGON WORKS 21 TON WAGON,  12/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6588,      5 PLK WAGON EDWIN W. BADLAND,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6592,      4 PLK WAGON FLEETWOOD IND CO-OP,    16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6597,      5 PLK WAGON HOPTON-WOOD STONE,      16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6623,      BR HORSE BOX EX GWR,                16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6624,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN X3,              18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638A,     BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6639,      BR 12 PARCELS VAN SPVA,             11/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6640,      LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6640A,     LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6641,      BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6641A,     BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6644,      Hornby 2013 WAGON,                  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R8312,      E-LINK + RAILMASTER + 1 Amp PSU,    11/11/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

 

 

Whilst many dates remain unchanged, most of these are already in December, and often later in the month when the Hornby Christmas shutdown will already be in force.

 

There are few releases for November, and I await an official notice from Margate to tell us which of the above will miss Christmas and arrive in 2014. We retailers need to let our customers know what Santa will not be bringing them!

 

 
I take this all with a pinch of salt as I don't think I will be visiting my nearest model shop on Christmas Day!  Happy Modelling from Mr Grumpy.

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That's a very large number to arrive during December.

 

I would love to know which factories or subcontractors have supplied the models, which must surely 'exist' in boxes and containers in numbers by now, and whether Hornby have any 'handle' on the whereabouts of relevant containers.

 

It occurs to me that a forum like this can bring about a lot of hopes and expectations which may not have been so keenly felt in the days before the internet, but then the many and various delays which have happened since Kader went bust have not been very effectively dealt with, except offering 'hoped-for' arrivals, which have mostly been quite unfulfilled.

 

That said, Hornby is not a very large company by toymaker standards and it still surprises me that they can produce the few models currently arriving, at low prices by European standards, even if some detail is wrong and quality control isn't perfect. As Tony Wright alluded to, the cost of a kit or scratch built model of comparable standard would likely be in four figures.

 

I know this sounds like yet another apology for Hornby's errors but I do not excuse the wrong number of spokes and or other errors in the Star, I simply think we are lucky to have a commercial manufacturer who has the will and apparently the resources to make models which few of us could aspire to make for ourselves. Certainly Simon Kohler is optimistic that supply of quality models will continue, and improve through 2014.

 

For myself, my hobby is re-creating BR steam in photos using 00 RTR models, and I am pleased by the outlook Simon promotes. With the dearth of new models I have spent a fair bit on second-hand weathered models, and there is no shortage of excellent models in that market, at prices which are holding up well , or poorly, depending on whether you are selling or buying!

 

Anyway those are my thoughts on the subject of the future of Hornby; I am happy with their attitude and previous models, and look forward with great interest to the supply of the many models listed for arrival, or should that be 'release' in December.

 

Rob

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Continuing from my above message, here are two examples... one of the models is available new at around £106 even now... and the second hand market is quite buoyant. So you can perhaps see why I am quite happy with Hornby's outlook.

 

 

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It occurs to me that a forum like this can bring about a lot of hopes and expectations which may not have been so keenly felt in the days before the internet, but then the many and various delays which have happened since Kader went bust have not been very effectively dealt with, except offering 'hoped-for' arrivals, which have mostly been quite unfulfilled.

 

Before some bizarre internet rumour starts, Kader are still very much in business, haven't gone bust and show no signs of doing so. They are of course the parent company of Bachmann. The Hornby supplier that went bust is Sanda Kan. The remains of the business were acquired by Kader, who were then making models both for their own brands and for Hornby and others. As time passed they have been doing less and less manufacturing for others and concentrating on their own brands, which is why Hornby is building up a network of alternative suppliers, with varying success. Most of the ex-Sanda Kan factories are now closed.

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and this...

 

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not to mention an older model, early 2000s, sympathetically weathered, I wonder how the unrebuilt Bulleids would be received in today's market? With a plethora of parts to be fitted by the owner including 6 white route code discs and the very flimsy front steps and external brake rods.

 

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note; a couple of these pics already very slightly modified.

The fairings ahead of the cylinders were removed from West Countries in the early 1950s, they come off the model quite easily.

 

Hornby made so few errors with these locos that I suspected Weymouth might have kept hers and had to hunt out a photograph to confirm their absence!  

 

Further models would be eagerly snapped up by me at least - especially if they were to do 34006 'Bude' as running in the sixties!

 

Some wide-cab examples paired with cut-down 4500g. tenders after losing their large ones to rebuilts would be good, too. 

 

John  

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When I (occasionally) look at such topics, I find myself surprised at the wealth of RTR models available from the various suppliers. How would today's enthusiast feel about the early days of Hornby, Trix and Triang ranges when a new loco appeared every couple of years and then usually in only one livery/number variant. For those that wanted something different it was down to "super-detailing" or kit/scratch building, which is how many modellers learned their model making skills.

 

If the volume of Hornby's new offerings is seen as inadequate, then I hope that I can therefore be excused that I sometimes get the feeling that quite a few of today's collectors are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

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When I (occasionally) look at such topics, I find myself surprised at the wealth of RTR models available from the various suppliers. How would today's enthusiast feel about the early days of Hornby, Trix and Triang ranges when a new loco appeared every couple of years and then usually in only one livery/number variant. For those that wanted something different it was down to "super-detailing" or kit/scratch building, which is how many modellers learned their model making skills.

 

If the volume of Hornby's new offerings is seen as inadequate, then I hope that I can therefore be excused that I sometimes get the feeling that quite a few of today's collectors are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Absolutely agree. In the Hornby Star thread, people are seriously disappointed by some silly errors and a fudge or two, but to the casual observer the overall impression is of a fine model loco, unmistakeably a Star, which owners tell us can haul well, too. As you say, a huge change from the narrow market of my childhood, when even the best locos, of the few RTR models available, were rough approximations by comparison.

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A few weeks have now passed since I last updated the list of anticipated release dates, so here goes...

 

The first date shows the anticipated date or release as of October 2nd.

The 2nd column shows any changes as of 16th October.

The 3rd, and final column, shows the situation as per the Hornby trade website on the evening of November 10th 2013.

 

R1171,      FLIGHT OF THE MALLARD,              14/10/2013       NOW 18/11/2013        NOW 06/12/2013

R1172,      THE e-LINK MAJESTIC CONTROL,        29/10/2013       NOW 25/11/2013        UNCHANGED (25/11/2013)

R2784X,     BR CLASS A4 MALLARD,                29/11/2013       NOW 29/12/2013        NOW 20/12/2013

R2920X,     LNER CLASS B17/1 'SANDRINGHAM',     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3019,      BR (LATE) GRANGE CLASS WEATHERED,   06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3099,      GREEN NRM FLYING SCOTSMAN,          25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3103,      BR BITTERN DOUBLE TENDER SP ED,     25/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/12/2013

R3105,      GWR CASTLE WELLINGTON (S'CHIMNEY),  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3114,      BR (LATE) B1 61270,                 06/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 06/12/2013

R3115,      BR UNREBUILT WEST COUNTRY EXETER,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3118,      BR CASTLE 'PENRICE CASTLE',         09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3124,      BR CLASS 42XX 4266,                 04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3125,      GWR CLASS 52 XX # 5274,             04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3127,      GWR CLASS 72XX #7202,               04/10/2013       Now 21/10/2013        NOW 02/12/2013

R3127X,     GWR CLASS 72XX DCC FITTED # 7202,   28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3128,      BR CLASS 72XX # 7229,               04/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R3133,      EAST COAST MAINLINE TRAIN PACK,     16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3138,      BR HST WESTERN REGION,              16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3160XS,    BR LATE 'WINCANTON' WEST COUNTRY,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3161A,     SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      14/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3161AX,    SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      18/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162A,     BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      07/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3162AX,    BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK,      08/11/2013       Now 20/12/2013        UNCHANGED 20/12/2013

R3166,      GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 2/12/2013

R3166X,     GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS,      28/10/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 2/12/2013

R3167,      BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013      

R3167X,     BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS,    04/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 18/11/2013   

R3168,      DUKE OF GLOUCESTER 4-6-2,           22/11/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3178,      NCB PO 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3179,      ESSO SENTINEL 0-4-0 SENTINEL,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3180,      TARMAC 0-4-0 SENTINEL,              18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 29/11/2013

R3185,      SOUTHERN CLASS 395  TRAIN PACK,     21/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R3191,      BR CL8 SP ED DUKE OF GLOUCESTER,    09/12/2013       Now 16/12/2013        UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R3192,      HERITAGE RAIL EXPRESS TRAIN PACK,   09/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R3196,      THE GATHERING MALLARD,              01/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3197,      THE GATHERING DOMINION OF CANADA,   18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3198,      THE GATHERING UNION OF SOUTH AFRI,  25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3199,      THE GATHERING BITTERN,              11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3200,      THE GATHERING DWIGHT EISENHOWER,    25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R3201,      THE GATHERING SIR NIGEL GRESLEY,    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

R4333,      LNER TEAK BRAKE,                    02/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4350,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4351,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4352,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 14/11/2013

R4353,      BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH,      04/11/2013  UNCHANGED           NOW RELEASED

R4354,      BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4355,      BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH,      28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 25/11/2013

R4518A,     LNER GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,   11/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4522A,     BR  GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE,    01/10/2013       Now 11/11/2013 RELEASED, FURTHER BATCH 02/12/2013

R4531B,     BR 61'6 (inch) FULL BRAKE,          28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4531C,     LNER GRESLEY FULL BRAKE #2,         28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 13/12/2013

R4534A,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R4534B,     BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK,            25/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R4536B,     BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN,       18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4540,      EAST COAST MAINLINE 1ST CLASS MK4,  29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4542,      EAST COAST MAINLINE BUFFET CAR,     29/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R4566,      BR EX LNER 61'6” CORRIDOR BRAKE,    28/10/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4585,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR BLUE,         18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R4586,      BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR RED,          18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6577,      PRESTWICH TARMACADAM 4 PLANK,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6579,      THE NEWMARKET CO-OP 4 PLANK,        16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6581,      MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY DEPT 4 PLK,   16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6586,      CAMBRIAN WAGON WORKS 21 TON WAGON,  12/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6588,      5 PLK WAGON EDWIN W. BADLAND,       16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6592,      4 PLK WAGON FLEETWOOD IND CO-OP,    16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6597,      5 PLK WAGON HOPTON-WOOD STONE,      16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R6623,      BR HORSE BOX EX GWR,                16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 20/12/2013

R6624,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN X3,              18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638,      BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6638A,     BR 12 TON FISH VAN,                 18/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6639,      BR 12 PARCELS VAN SPVA,             11/11/2013       Now 09/12/2013        UNCHANGED 09/12/2013

R6640,      LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6640A,     LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                18/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  NOW 02/12/2013

R6641,      BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6641A,     BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN,                 25/11/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 25/11/2013

R6644,      Hornby 2013 WAGON,                  16/12/2013  UNCHANGED                  UNCHANGED 16/12/2013

R8312,      E-LINK + RAILMASTER + 1 Amp PSU,    11/11/2013       Now 02/12/2013        UNCHANGED 02/12/2013

 

 

Whilst many dates remain unchanged, most of these are already in December, and often later in the month when the Hornby Christmas shutdown will already be in force.

 

There are few releases for November, and I await an official notice from Margate to tell us which of the above will miss Christmas and arrive in 2014. We retailers need to let our customers know what Santa will not be bringing them!

 

And the last despatch day from Margate will be Friday 20th December which should arrive on Monday 23rd, then there will be no deliveries until the New Year.

 

Dave

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Before some bizarre internet rumour starts, Kader are still very much in business, haven't gone bust and show no signs of doing so. They are of course the parent company of Bachmann. The Hornby supplier that went bust is Sanda Kan. The remains of the business were acquired by Kader, who were then making models both for their own brands and for Hornby and others. As time passed they have been doing less and less manufacturing for others and concentrating on their own brands, which is why Hornby is building up a network of alternative suppliers, with varying success. Most of the ex-Sanda Kan factories are now closed.

Thank you for correcting my embarrassing error about Sanda Kan. Wires crossed, age, infirmity...

 

Rob

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