Dazzler Fan Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Has anyone got the Pantone references for the various GWR Wagon Grey? Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Prepare to be knee deep in worms and can openers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Can? Much worse than that. Pantone refers to printing ink not paint. The nearest I can find on a common colour chart is BS381C 677. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I used Leyland "Condor" on a 7 1/4"g 'Toad' that I repainted. It looks pretty close to me and was good quality paint at a reasonable price. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Precision-Phoenix model paint has been the gold standard for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Precision-Phoenix model paint has been the gold standard for years. There are ways to paint wagons other than using paint, where Pantone colours could be exactly what's needed! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98308-saltdean-lbscr-in-0-gauge/&do=findComment&comment=1880329 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler Fan Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 +I do realise that Pantone colours are for printing inks- however with a paint swatch, many paint mixing places now have a computerised scanner that can interpret the colour. As well as the mix, can also give a Pantone for an ink, which is what I am looking for. Thank you for all the suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Considering that the paint would have been mixed up in the paint shop using basic ingredients by weight then the resulting colour would have been anything there-or-there about grey. So mix some white and black paint together until it looks right to you - as there will almost certainly have been a wagon painted in that shade. Just study some photos and you will see the variation in shade of the wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Precision-Phoenix model paint has been the gold standard for years. It seems a bit dark to my eyes especially when compared to the Railmatch version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It seems a bit dark to my eyes especially when compared to the Railmatch version. How do you know it looks dark? I haven't seen a sample of genuine GWR wagon grey but seeing as Precision was first, while Railmatch followed about 20 years later, I go with Precision. The latter is all any sensible modeller has had to go by since its introduction many decades ago, unless they have been fortunate enough to get genuine samples of transport paint as supplied to the railway companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2015 Unfortunately Jack Slinns bible on the matter The Great Western Way does not have a colour swatch at the back for freight grey. and of course the works photo's of wagons are in "works Grey". I have always assumed that GW freight grey was quite dark when first applied and like most other colours over time fades, especially as there is no varnish on wagons unlike coaches and locos. I have to say that I am with Coach on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler Fan Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 + I am hoping that someone like Precision/Phoenix are true to their spec', "Batch on Batch", sufficient that specifying them for the model will follow on as a good match for the backing on small print of livery. rub-ons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I read somewhere the GWR wagon grey is seven parts black and one part white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I read somewhere the GWR wagon grey is seven parts black and one part white. plus a hint of blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K14 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I read somewhere the GWR wagon grey is seven parts black and one part white. At Didcot we use a ratio of approx 14:1 black to white (2/3 of a baked bean can of white to 5 litres of black). The result can vary depending on who's doing the mixing & whether the black is a true carbon black or nasty yuck with all blue in it, but it gives a very dark grey that's pretty close to original samples 'excavated' from Mogo 105742 and vac-fit Toad A 17447. Pete S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 How do you know it looks dark? I haven't seen a sample of genuine GWR wagon grey but seeing as Precision was first, while Railmatch followed about 20 years later, I go with Precision. The latter is all any sensible modeller has had to go by since its introduction many decades ago, unless they have been fortunate enough to get genuine samples of transport paint as supplied to the railway companies. I was not aware of that. I am learned.But as you ain't seen 'Genuine' either, how do you know it isn't ? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 Personally I think GWR wagon grey would vary. Add in wear and tear and the elements and how many shades of grey would you find. For me when I build GWR stock I use Tamiya 'German Grey'. See link below. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1338/entry-12168-mr-fawkes-receives-a-delivery-parkside-z2-gunpowder-van-build-and-a-few-other-bits/ I've also heard that Humbrol German Grey is good as well. Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If you paint your GWR wagons in one colour from a tin it will not represent the real GWR. It will look like a toy train set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2015 Revell do some very dark greys. If you need that effect, Anthracite (9) is nearly black. Tank Grey (78) is the one I usually use for newish GWR stock. There's also Granite Grey (69) but I haven't tried that. I use darkish medium greys 74, 77 and 79 for more faded stock. Those colours give a good variation in an all-GWR train. Also, Revell are slightly cheaper than Humbrol and just as good as H were before various recent inconsistencies in quality. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2015 The OP did explain why he had a valid reason for wanting the Pantone reference. I don't think we have helped him much, as we don't have Pantone numbers for any of the paints we commonly use. However, the BS quoted above may be an intermediate step as it gives colour samples and Munsell references which it may be possible to correlate with Pantone. The other possible reference is RAL. There are several old British Standards giving Munsell references and paint swatches though they have mostly been withdrawn. However, GWR grey won't be among them although BR colours may. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Has anyone got the Pantone references for the various GWR Wagon Grey? Which wagon would you want to match? The grey paint used on wagons was mixed from lead white and lamp black. However lead white is notorious for oxidising in the presence of sulphur, e.g. burning coal, and becoming a charcoal grey colour. Somewhere there should be a recipe that will give a starting colour, but the wagons would become darker as time went on. Note also than modern titanium white paints are much 'brighter' than lead white, so if you are mixing greys it is better to use a cream, or fawn colour to lighten the black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kada33 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Hi All If you check out the attached link you will see what Rover Tempest Grey looks like and it's a lot cheaper than Phoenix (bought from Halfords) http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/my-gwr-7mm-work-load.3952/ Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler Fan Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 + I am going with Testors #1237 Flat Gray Enamel becauseit is more generally available in Model Shops around the World.Pantone are now working on categorising common paint colours into their reference system.There is also an "FS Chips" system used since WW2 on US Government contracts and still very popular in the US. N. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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