mikemeg Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) NORTH EASTERN KITS LNER J72 Short Bunker Now ready to go for painting. Arthur has decided that this loco is to be 8680 as it was in LNER days, when it worked as one of the station pilots at Newcastle Central. Arthur will have to fit the couplings which, despite the loco being vacuum fitted, were 3-link. Now to build another of these short bunker J72's and the longer bunker version, as a pair. Though, perhaps before those two are built I'll get around to doing a P4 chassis for the Bachmann Jubilee, at long last!! Cheers Mike Edited January 12, 2018 by mikemeg 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class O Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Now ready to go for painting. Arthur has decided that this loco is to be 8680 as it was in LNER days, when it worked as one of the pilots at Newcastle Central. Arthur will have to fit the couplings which, despte the loco being vacuum fitted, were 3-link. Now to build another of these short bunker J72's and the longer bunker version, as a pair. Though, perhaps before those two are built I'll get around to doing a P4 chassis for the Bachmann Jubilee, at long last!! Cheers Mike Some had a square vent on the cab roof and a patch of thin steel on the rear of the cab roof, I represented this with a patch of Scotch Magic adhesive tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) More temptation... A J72 kit with attitude, and a few got North of the border. Grizzle, grind, knash..... Edited August 21, 2016 by iak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted August 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2016 Some had a square vent on the cab roof and a patch of thin steel on the rear of the cab roof, I represented this with a patch of Scotch Magic adhesive tape This 'patch' was added to many NER locos (some were built with it). It was removed to provide access during visits to the works although sometimes removed at the shed for local maintenance. ArthurK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) More temptation... A J72 kit with attitude, and a few got North of the border. Grizzle, grind, knash..... Ian, Good news eh?? The even better news is that there will be two versions of this kit; the one for the first twenty J72's with the shorter bunker and shallower mainframes; the other for the remainder of the class with the longer bunker and deeper mainframes. In fact, if one includes the provision of the BR sandbox as fitted to the last series (690xx) then, arguably, three versions of this class can be produced from the two separate kits. Then, of course, each of these three versions can also be built as vacuum fitted, so six ............... I really shouldn't chide other folks on this. I test built the A6 kit, since which time I've built three more and am looking at building a fifth - all substantially different. So 'hoist by my own petard' springs to mind! So, Ian, even more temptation!! Very best regards Mike Edited August 22, 2016 by mikemeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Fortunately Mike, I am only tempted by a J72 suitable for Scottish use. I am thankful that NER is not an interest! WIBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Fortunately Mike, I am only tempted by a J72 suitable for Scottish use. I am thankful that NER is not an interest! WIBBLE Ian, According to the 1950 (August) stock allocation data, the following were based in Scotland :- 68700 61A 68709 65A 68710 61A 68717 61A 68719 61A 68733 65A 68749 61A 68750 61A So you've a few to go at, though they were all the longer bunker/deeper mainframe variant!! Regards Mike Edited August 22, 2016 by mikemeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Just a point. The various piping runs, shown on the photograph above, were scratch built and are not part of the kit. For the vacuum pipe, between the cab and the smokebox, and for the pipe runs just under the valances, 0.8 mm brass wire was used. For the pipe run from the cab front to the firebox shoulder 0.6 mm brass wire was used. The fixing clasps on the pipe runs just under the valances are small pieces of nickel silver boiler band strip which are wrapped around the pipe, nipped tight and then soldered behind the valance. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Sláinte Mike. Maybe the bread knife will generous to me this Yuletide... Ah, decisions, decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Sláinte Mike. Maybe the bread knife will generous to me this Yuletide... Ah, decisions, decisions... You're welcome. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bateson Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 and there are always the three cut down for the Buckley Railway down in Connah's Quay Docks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 and there are always the three cut down for the Buckley Railway down in Connah's Quay Docks ... Ssssssh... I have enough to debate and muse on thanks John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class O Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 This 'patch' was added to many NER locos (some were built with it). It was removed to provide access during visits to the works although sometimes removed at the shed for local maintenance. ArthurK Also to protect the canvas on the cab roof when taking coal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest royal signals Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Tony, If you look in the 'Smaller Suppliers' section of the 'Products and Trade Area', you'll find Arthur's thread under there as North Eastern Kits. Thanks Johnathan, I have only just spotted Mikes weave again and have bookmarked that link, thanks again, Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) COMET LMS JUBILEE CHASSIS KIT Before I launch into the next two North Eastern builds - another short bunker J72 and the later longer bunker version of the J72 - time to catch up on something which has lain around for about five years; the LMS jubilee. The supplied 'OO' chassis and the tender wheels are now with a friend of mine who is using them to power a Patriot body and tender, so they're in a good home! This is the latest Bachmann model of this locomotive and will be converted to P4 using the various Comet (now Wizard models) chassis parts. I'll post this rebuild on the 'Locomotives of Hessle Haven' thread but I'll just show the start point of this rebuild with the stripped down Bachmann model ready for its new chassis'. Both the locomotive and the tender will receive new chassis' using the Comet parts with Alan Gibson wheels, high level gearbox and the largest Mashima motor which can be accommodated inside the Jubilee's boiler and firebox. Might just build an 8F after this Jubilee conversion, again using the Comet kit. Cheers Mike Edited January 12, 2018 by mikemeg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) LNER J72 Quite a while since I posted to this thread, interrupted as it was by the work on the Bachmann Jubilee. Fair to say that the Jubilee P4 chassis wasn't entirely successful (it wasn't at all successful!), largely due to differences in the spacing of the driving wheels between the Bachmann model, the prototype and the Comet chassis. Anyway, the project was aborted and the Jubilee loco body and tender have been given to a good friend to be reunited with their original chassis'. So back to the locos of the North Eastern with the two versions of the J72; the original short bunkered version representing the first twenty of the class and the longer bunkered version representing the rest of the class. Before work starts on these two kits, photos of the two prototypes which will be modelled. The first photo taken in Springhead shed (Hull) in 1952 and the second taken in Hull Dairycoates shed, sometime after 1957. Cheers Mike Edited January 12, 2018 by mikemeg 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Quite a while since I posted to this thread, interrupted as it was by the work on the Bachmann Jubilee. Fair to say that the Jubilee P4 chassis wasn't entirely successful (it wasn't at all successful!), largely due to differences in the spacing of the driving wheels between the Bachmann model, the prototype and the Comet chassis. Anyway, the project was aborted ... That's a blow, I bought a Bachmann body and tender to do just this conversion at some point in this life. Which one is at fault, is it the Bachmann or Comet item? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 ...Which one is at fault, is it the Bachmann or Comet item? Bachmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Which one is at fault, is it the Bachmann or Comet item? Regards Yes, as Horsetan says, it is the Bachmann body and chassis which is at fault. The Comet chassis is correctly spaced at 7' 4" and 8' 0" (29.33 mm and 32 mm); the Bachmann chassis and body are spaced at something akin to 30.5 mm and 32.0 mm, which means that the wheels fitted to the Comet chassis do not line up with the splashers on the Bachmann body; there is a very visible discrepancy on the middle and rear sets of driving wheels. So for a P4 Jubilee then I guess it is the Brassmasters kit. Cheers Mike Edited October 24, 2016 by mikemeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 ...for a P4 Jubilee then I guess it is the Brassmasters kit... You know it makes sense, as the air freshener salesman said to the cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 You know it makes sense, as the air freshener salesman said to the cleaner. There isn't the slightest chance that I have the skills to do the Brassmasters kit, it would just be a waste of money . I might, though, be able to modify the Comet chassis kit to suit and use AGW adjustable coupling rods. That might work. I wonder how many kits of the Jubilee chassis Comet sell? It's market is going to be very restricted if it doesn't fit the Bachmann body, not matter how accurate to the prototype it undoubtedly is. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 There isn't the slightest chance that I have the skills to do the Brassmasters kit, it would just be a waste of money . I might, though, be able to modify the Comet chassis kit to suit and use AGW adjustable coupling rods. That might work. I wonder how many kits of the Jubilee chassis Comet sell? It's market is going to be very restricted if it doesn't fit the Bachmann body, not matter how accurate to the prototype it undoubtedly is. Regards As for coupling rods, Bachmann sized coupling rods for the Jubilee, Scot and Patriot chassis are available from Lanarkshire Models. They are suitable for a re-wheeled Bachmann chassis or as you say a modified Comet chassis and, they have the correct Fowler/Stanier look with the big crankpin bosses.... The rods can be made up rigid or correctly jointed at the knuckle, n/s rivet provided. Apologises for the hijack Mike. Dave Franks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 There isn't the slightest chance that I have the skills to do the Brassmasters kit, it would just be a waste of money . I might, though, be able to modify the Comet chassis kit to suit and use AGW adjustable coupling rods. That might work. I wonder how many kits of the Jubilee chassis Comet sell? It's market is going to be very restricted if it doesn't fit the Bachmann body, not matter how accurate to the prototype it undoubtedly is. Regards Surely if you can move the wheels adjust the valve gear and make new coupling rods, there is nothing to frighten you when it comes to building a brass kit. You may surprise yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Surely if you can move the wheels adjust the valve gear and make new coupling rods, there is nothing to frighten you when it comes to building a brass kit.... What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 There isn't the slightest chance that I have the skills to do the Brassmasters kit, it would just be a waste of money . I might, though, be able to modify the Comet chassis kit to suit and use AGW adjustable coupling rods. That might work. I wonder how many kits of the Jubilee chassis Comet sell? It's market is going to be very restricted if it doesn't fit the Bachmann body, not matter how accurate to the prototype it undoubtedly is. Regards The Comet chassis for the Jubilee also fits the Patriot and Royal Scot (or should), as their driving wheelbases were all the same, so less restricted than if t'were just the Bachmann Jubilee. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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