RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2015 Word was installed last week, as I did not take to having to learn something else. Anyway I designed a new letterhead on it this morning seeing as my previous one was lost along with Photodraw on which it was designed (silly me never saved it as a Tif). I can also see another way of making illustrated leaflets as well, so it's funny how the old cranium susses out workarounds once a new Windows has settled down. Glad to see that it's staring to work out as you want. I used to have Word (actually MS Office Pro) but when it stoped working on a later version of Windows, with no updates, I started using Open Office then Libre Office. I still have Lotus Smartsuite (WordPro, Lotus 123 and Approach) on my Win 10 PC - works perfectly on Win 10 although it is ancient! The one thing i used fairly extensively on MS Office but didn't find a total substitute for was Outlook. Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Outlook Express was great and made a lot of sense. The current email set up is not. It is not as if home-computer technology had made a complete change as with cine to video or video to disk/digital. There is deliberately no continuity or backward compatability with computers and no one has tackled Windows over this even though it impacts on businesses etc. Epson follows the same practice with its scanners and printers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Outlook Express was great and made a lot of sense. The current email set up is not. It is not as if home-computer technology had made a complete change as with cine to video or video to disk/digital. There is deliberately no continuity or backward compatability with computers and no one has tackled Windows over this even though it impacts on businesses etc. Epson follows the same practice with its scanners and printers. Never used Outlook Express much. Whilst Office was working OK I used Outlook which is a very different beast (with a very different file format/structure). For a couple of years I used a Linux e-mail program but I use Thunderbird now. I have never had a problem with Epson kit with Windows. My scanner has the latest Win 10 version of the software which I started in Win XP with. Keith Edited November 11, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) My scanner is waiting a trip to the skip now. Not broken, just a casualty of technology and greed. Still, I'm in no hurry to scan my negs. My printer will do flatbed scanning but it has taken over five years to realise scans can go back to the PC to be edited. I looked at a PC with Windows 8 the other day and it has symbols rather than straightforward words. Full marks to 10 for words then. It reminded me of a Ford when computer management was starting to be fitted in the Fiesta and the dash dials had been replaced by graduated red blocks. I had to study the speedo to see what speed I was actually doing and so the car was an early casualty but not before I filled in a questionnaire with my thoughts! Edited November 11, 2015 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Huge set of updates for anyone with Office 2010 this week Win 10, Office 2010 x 3, IE Flash Player, Access 2010, Project 2010, Visio 2010, Word 2010, InfoPath 2010, Publisher 2010, Excel 2010, OneNote 2010, Malicious Software Removal Tool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Windows 10 is working just fine here, a vast improvement. I installed Win 10 on a new laptop late September, no problems, I can run an old program like Paint Shop Pro 6 (c2001) on it. I use the Win 10 MS mail app which is not as good as Outlook Express, and I have chosen Irfanview for default picture viewing. Overall I don't like the Win 10 graphics much but that is mostly me not liking change. I have never used Win 8. I also run Win 7.1 on a 4-year old laptop, which for all its faults is not too bad, Win 10 more of a great leap sideways. And yes much faster boot up and power off. It reminds me of the video editor on Win XP which was very good, then on Win 7 MS didn't want to know, and they stopped supporting a resident Win 7 video editor, you had to buy/install your software of your own choice. Seems the same is true for Win 10 you have to choose your app. All in all Win 10 seems stable but I wouldn't call it progress other than down a slippery slope to perdition. <g> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrobuscp Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Huge set of updates for anyone with Office 2010 this week Win 10, Office 2010 x 3, IE Flash Player, Access 2010, Project 2010, Visio 2010, Word 2010, InfoPath 2010, Publisher 2010, Excel 2010, OneNote 2010, Malicious Software Removal Tool If you are using Win Vista/7/8/8.1 there is an issue with Outlook crashing whilst viewing HTML email. Removing KB3097877 should solve the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2015 My scanner is waiting a trip to the skip now. Not broken, just a casualty of technology and greed. What model is that? How old? I've got an old Epson 640U sitting in the attic - won't do negs hence the reason it is there! My 4990 however is brilliant! Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Dunno at the moment. I seem to recall it was an Epson 1220 but that is only a guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Theres a new version of Windows 10 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/windows-10-november-update-features-fixes-and-enterprise-readiness/ Desktop is downloading it as I type this, laptop is firmly stuck on build 10240 and refuses to find any updates! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted November 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2015 Butler Henderson, on 13 Nov 2015 - 06:17, said: Theres a new version of Windows 10 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/windows-10-november-update-features-fixes-and-enterprise-readiness/ Desktop is downloading it as I type this, laptop is firmly stuck on build 10240 and refuses to find any updates! I think they're making it available in a staged process. With about 132m PCs now on W10 I'm sure MS don't want them all downloading the update at the same time. My laptop can't see any update either, but I'm not too fussed about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Mistake downloading in the evening, took till half past midnight to install. While it was doing do that I unearthed my little used mini laptop and the upgrade downloaded on that, said it would wait to be to be told to be installed, then changed to saying their was an error and now claimed to be up to date despite not installing the upgrade. A quick web search shows this has happened to at least one other person. Edited November 13, 2015 by Butler Henderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 13, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) SWMBOs laptop did the WIN 10 update this morning. I clicked on Kaspersky to do an update (Win 10 update was also downloaded automatically) KIS needed a re-boot - bad move, After downloading Kaspersky then did the re-boot and between that and Win 10 they clogged up the computer for more than 30mins with several start-ups and re-boots. The job the computer was turned on to do had to wait. I wish we could go back to the choosing of when to download and install them! Keith EDIT rewritten to make some sense! Edited November 13, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 The Nov 2015 Win 10 update is available to download to usb stick or disc see http://www.winbeta.org/news/use-microsofts-media-creation-tool-grab-windows-10-november-update. Useful if you have more than one pc. Seems that it as been released earlier than intended as it is copright dated by MS as 2016! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrobuscp Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I wish we could go back to the choosing of when to download and install them! It will be less of an issue for me in the future, but at the moment this is a major reason why I'm reluctant to move to Win10. Tuesday's Win7 update caused Outlook to crash repeatedly after installation. It didn't take a great effort to sort it out, but had it been forced on me at a time I couldn't control, it could have caused serious problems for me. I understand that the November Win10 upgrade increases the ability to defer updates, particularly for business users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you download the update to a usb stick (etc) and already have Win10 whilst it seems to be doing a fresh install it seems to keep all programs and drivers - at least Norton Internet Security and my SPOG are working which was not the case when I upgraded from 8.1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I wish we could go back to the choosing of when to download and install them! You can (at least in terms of installation restart) Settings>Update & security>Advanced Options Change choose how updates are installed from Automatic (Recommended) to Notify to schedule restart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 13, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2015 You can (at least in terms of installation restart) Settings>Update & security>Advanced Options Change choose how updates are installed from Automatic (Recommended) to Notify to schedule restart I think the problem was that it downloaded the update and when I restarted for Kaspersky it went for it as well! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted November 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) melmerby, on 13 Nov 2015 - 23:33, said: I wish we could go back to the choosing of when to download and install them! Keith If you mark your internet connection as "metered" it will not download anything until you click a download button. I'm in Australia for 3 weeks visiting grandchildren and my daughter's internet is 4G with a strict download limit (Australia is very backward in this respect), so I've set up my laptop in this way. Thus the W10 upgrade will not occur until I get back home to my unlimited ADSL fibre connection, Edited November 13, 2015 by RFS 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold StuAllen Posted November 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2015 Outlook Express was great and made a lot of sense. The current email set up is not. It is not as if home-computer technology had made a complete change as with cine to video or video to disk/digital. There is deliberately no continuity or backward compatability with computers and no one has tackled Windows over this even though it impacts on businesses etc. Epson follows the same practice with its scanners and printers. I think that there has been a change in technology in the past few of years with regards to compatibility - there has been a shift to cloud based computing. Devices are now internet ready removing the need for specific drivers to work with specific operating systems. You just need to look at how we consume technology and information now - we have TV's connecting to service providers like Netflix or Amazon Prime, but you can also connect to those services from a tablet of a phone. It doesn't matter about the device you use, you just want to access the service. That's just one example - look at printers these days you can use AirPrint or NFC technology to print directly from a phone- no drivers needed. Google the term "Internet of Things" it's quite exciting/scary to think where we could be in 5,10, 20 years time. Take Apple Watch or those health bands that monitor your sleep or calorie burn, these are internet connected, where can they be developed to? will they be tied into insurance providers or the NHS so they can monitor if you're about to have a heart attack and the first you know about it is when the ambulance turns up. I think Windows 10 will be that last traditional operating system from Microsft, it's designed to work well with web based services and solutions. In the future It wil just update in the same your iPhone or iPad does. Microsoft are ploughing billions of dollars into cloud computing at the moment, they aren't the market leader yet Amazon are but that's because they have been doing it for longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Back in the late 1970s, it was my job to produce the monthly accounts for the company I worked for. One month when the accounts were due, the computer broke down, sending my boss into a complete panic. He was quite young, well qualified and had worked in the city before joining the engineering company. In other words, about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it came to practical stuff! I just calmly walked into the next room, picked up the tray of ledger cards that the computer also printed, and got on with the job just as I had before we got the computer! I can see similar situations arising when things need to be done and the internet isn't working. The internet, and some cloud stuff are great and have many uses, but critical data is staying on my computer where I've got access to it regardless of breakdowns. If anyone tries to force systems on me that prevent that, they can stick them somewhere where the sun doesn't shine. That's why I avoid complicated phones, tablets and all these other gadgets. It might be convenient, and they have their specialised uses, but they are letting other people take power over us, reduce our ability to control our own lives, and create avoidable risks when we have time critical things to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I am getting fed up with playing "wak a mole" with M$ updates and the way that they keep trying to sneak W10 on to my computer under the disguise of "important" updates. I will decide when or if I change and the way they are behaving at the moment it is looking very unlikely that I will. I used to joke that window was a virus on a 'puter now it is looking more like one every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I think I've put a stop to the dreaded KB3035583. I hid it in Windows Update, and it seems to have stopped trying to install it. I'm prepared with a program to remove it waiting on my Desktop though! I installed this weeks updates manually last night, and still seem to have a properly working Windows 7, without any bullying from M$. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted November 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2015 I understand that the upgrade to Windows 10 will shortly become a "recommended" update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 A bit of history http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/19/9759874/microsoft-windows-visual-history-30-years 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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