Driving standards

[johnofwessex]

24 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

Having looked at the location on a map, I am concerned how someone could have lost control with enough speed to go through a fence & kill somebody.

 

Just what I was thinking

 

Our local chippy was destroyed in a similar incident, admittedly an elderly driver but you do start to wonder what happened.

 

About 25% of RTA's dont involve another road user which says all you need to know

[big jim]

29 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

Having looked at the location on a map, I am concerned how someone could have lost control with enough speed to go through a fence & kill somebody.

driving a wholly inappropriate 2.5 ton 250bhp vehicle in an urban environment probably didn’t help, any real need for such a big powerful car in the city other than for vanity

 

it does however say the driver had a medical emergency, if they passed out and blipped the throttle then a car that big and powerful that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds is no better than a missile, a wooden fence isn’t going to stop it, the building looks like it did however, unfortunately at the cost of a young life 

 

looking at the BBC link I find the whole, live update thing distasteful, especially the photos of the vehicle taken from the air, a child died there, do we really need to see multiple angles of the car, and the whole timeline thing… ‘parents are arriving to collect their children’……‘An ambulance has left’ it’s really of no real interest to anyone outside of those effected at the scene surely 

[kevinlms]

6 minutes ago, big jim said:

driving a wholly inappropriate 2.5 ton 250bhp vehicle in an urban environment probably didn’t help, any real need for such a big powerful car in the city other than for vanity

 

it does however say the driver had a medical emergency, if they passed out and blipped the throttle then a car that big and powerful that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds is no better than a missile, a wooden fence isn’t going to stop it, the building looks like it did however, unfortunately at the cost of a young life 

 

looking at the BBC link I find the whole, live update thing distasteful, especially the photos of the vehicle taken from the air, a child died there, do we really need to see multiple angles of the car, and the whole timeline thing… ‘parents are arriving to collect their children’……‘An ambulance has left’ it’s really of no real interest to anyone outside of those effected at the scene surely 

But that is the fundamental problem with news video clips. Because they are on the spot, they think they have to tell you every minute detail, rather than what is actually relevant. Watching a reporter, standing in front of a police tape, tells you SFA of importance.

[johnofwessex]

What I might hope although I doubt if it will happen is that with the switch to EV's we ask some serious questions about the sort of vehicles we allow on our roads and their maximum permitted speeds

[kevinlms]

10 minutes ago, johnofwessex said:

What I might hope although I doubt if it will happen is that with the switch to EV's we ask some serious questions about the sort of vehicles we allow on our roads and their maximum permitted speeds

Not going to happen. Some would be EV owners, since the operating costs are potentially (sorry) lower, will take the view that as such a vehicle will cost less to run, they may as well spend the savings on a bigger/more powerful vehicle!

[johnofwessex]

34 minutes ago, kevinlms said:

Not going to happen. Some would be EV owners, since the operating costs are potentially (sorry) lower, will take the view that as such a vehicle will cost less to run, they may as well spend the savings on a bigger/more powerful vehicle!

 

Groan..........

 

By definition the sort of person who wants that sort of vehicle is the very last person who should have it 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, big jim said:

driving a wholly inappropriate 2.5 ton 250bhp vehicle in an urban environment probably didn’t help, any real need for such a big powerful car in the city other than for vanity

 

it does however say the driver had a medical emergency, if they passed out and blipped the throttle then a car that big and powerful that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds is no better than a missile, a wooden fence isn’t going to stop it, the building looks like it did however, unfortunately at the cost of a young life

 

Given it's a new Land Rover costing over £60k I thought it would have come with autonomous braking which ought to catch this kind of thing.

Any vehicle that can take off like a rocket should you twitch your right foot should have some safeguards in it.

[stewartingram]

When I went back to tech college (remember them?) in Cambridge, Clive Sinclair had his office close by. Now, regardless of what many people think of him, he was a very clever guy, and the college did have close connections with him. It was said by my tutor, when Clive was interested in developing an electric car, the biggest problem he had found, was slowing down the rate of accleration.

Of course, this was in the era when the big oil industry and car industry (combined) were totally opposed to switching to electric cars. What did Clive end up with? The C5, powered by a washing machine motor, and really a potential danger on the roads - though I do find them fascinating.

[ERIC ALLTORQUE]

If this Chelsie tractor thats caused this is a diesel or petrol vehicle it will have anti stall,so if your foot is not on the brake and its in drive or a gear it will keep going until the brake or clutch pedal are pressed.........most EV have to be driven down hill,if you back off throttle the regeneration system slows the vehicle.

[Jonboy]

5 hours ago, johnofwessex said:

What I might hope although I doubt if it will happen is that with the switch to EV's we ask some serious questions about the sort of vehicles we allow on our roads and their maximum permitted speeds

Then there is the road wear angle: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12237529/Britains-pothole-crisis-worse-electric-cars.html

[PhilJ W]

10 minutes ago, Jonboy said:

Then there is the road wear angle: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12237529/Britains-pothole-crisis-worse-electric-cars.html

What a load of clap-trap, EV's cause no more damage than their petrol and diesel equivalents. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

What a load of clap-trap, EV's cause no more damage than their petrol and diesel equivalents. 

 

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Electric cars, which are roughly twice as heavy as standard models

 

Gotta love a carefully researched article...

[PhilJ W]

18 minutes ago, 30801 said:

 

 

Gotta love a carefully researched article...

He didn't mention topping up the batteries with distilled water.😄

[Enterprisingwestern]

8 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

He didn't mention topping up the batteries with distilled water.😄

 

So that life support tube that you see EV's connected up to actually contains water?, every day is a school day!

 

Mike.

[Jol Wilkinson]

13 hours ago, stewartingram said:

When I went back to tech college (remember them?) in Cambridge, Clive Sinclair had his office close by. Now, regardless of what many people think of him, he was a very clever guy, and the college did have close connections with him. It was said by my tutor, when Clive was interested in developing an electric car, the biggest problem he had found, was slowing down the rate of accleration.

Of course, this was in the era when the big oil industry and car industry (combined) were totally opposed to switching to electric cars. What did Clive end up with? The C5, powered by a washing machine motor, and really a potential danger on the roads - though I do find them fascinating.

My wife and I were nearly run down on a local seafront pedestrian promenade last year, by a bunch of Hooray Henrys and Henriettas in C5s. It turns out there is a C5 "specialist" locally who also hires them out, presumably to any daft pr*ck.

[Coldgunner]

Absolute classic yesterday. Had to come to a halt when exiting a roundabout yesterday. Why? I hear you ask...

 

A bit of heavy traffic at the top as I think there'd been an accident. Such as it is you just accept your fate and join the queue of traffic. Not sure Lord/Lady ballbag wanted to though, as they decided to reverse back down the slip road, reverse onto the roundabout and drive another way. I'd normally just let it pass but they'd actually prevented myself and the car behind from exiting the roundabout and caused a delay.

 

I have dashcam footage that I'm sure Cambs Constabulary will be happy to view (I have indeed reported it).

[kevinlms]

Do you still get this sort of sh1t in the UK and what does the punishment consist of?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-10/legally-blind-woman-refused-23-uber-rides-in-six-weeks/102559848

[PhilJ W]

7 hours ago, kevinlms said:

Do you still get this sort of sh1t in the UK and what does the punishment consist of?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-10/legally-blind-woman-refused-23-uber-rides-in-six-weeks/102559848

Not now due to tough anti-discrimination laws.

[kevinlms]

5 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Not now due to tough anti-discrimination laws.

It's supposed to be tough and Uber claim they block drivers from their app, at the 2nd offence. So clearly the message isn't getting through.

[PhilJ W]

7 hours ago, kevinlms said:

It's supposed to be tough and Uber claim they block drivers from their app, at the 2nd offence. So clearly the message isn't getting through.

Was that in Australia? Here in the UK the rules are a lot tougher.

[APOLLO]

On 24/04/2023 at 10:03, Nick C said:

Driving back from SWAG yesterday, I got caught up in the inevitable traffic jam passing Stonehenge, which as is often the case, had backed up across the Longbarrow roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/9bxEJMJkbVbvjgdy7) - in fact the traffic shown in the aerial photo there pretty much matched what it was like, although it back up a bit further yesterday. The reason for posting in this thread though, was the number of drivers who were desperately trying to push their way further forward in the queue getting across the roundabout - blocking the 'keep clear' where the A360 joins, and trying to push further instead of merging in turn at the merge - why? At most it got them two or three places further in the queue, and several of them I subsequently overtook on the dual carriageway after Amesbury (including a Lamorghini SUV thing that crawled past the speed camera at 55 (the limit being 70) then roared past everyone a mile later...)

 

Bloody Neanderthals - Just because they invented the wheel they think they own the road !!!!

 

Brit15

 

[kevinlms]

2 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Was that in Australia? Here in the UK the rules are a lot tougher.

Yes, it is in Australia. The link was for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, more or less equivalent to BBC.

 

It is 100% illegal for taxis/Uber etc to refuse guide dogs, but these idiots do so anyway. Also businesses, such as restaurants. Every so often, one of the latter get caught out publically and have to do the big public apology and promise staff 'retraining', but drivers seem to endlessly, not understand the law.

[kevinlms]

A disaster waiting to happen - AKA not giving a sh1t

https://www.drive.com.au/news/sa-learner-driver-facing-jail-time/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_3&utm_medium=partner

[johnofwessex]

4 hours ago, kevinlms said:

A disaster waiting to happen - AKA not giving a sh1t

https://www.drive.com.au/news/sa-learner-driver-facing-jail-time/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_3&utm_medium=partner

 

My personal view is that 'fail to stop' should be dealt with in the same way as gun/knife crime.

[Reorte]

21 hours ago, johnofwessex said:

 

My personal view is that 'fail to stop' should be dealt with in the same way as gun/knife crime.

Treating it like that hasn't gone down well in France.