Liveries of classes 33 and 73

[Natalie]

Hi

To go with my four (yep four ) 4Cep units (2 blue/grey, 1 blue and 1 green)I feel the need to get class 33 and 73 locos to go with them. I am interested in the dates that full yellow ends were painted on and the change from green to blue for the class 33 locos.

 

Additionally for the class 73- did the grey bands on the early 73/1 (E6007-13) remain in place until the first repaint into corporate blue? Did the three or so that were delivered without double arrows(? E6007-9) get these on their original bsyp or did it have to wait until the first corporate repaint. Then there is E6018- what dates (I know it appeared some time during 1967) did this carry the wrap round yellow- and was the roof blue or grey? Finally I am interested in the repaint dates from the JB 73/1 from original rail blue with small yellow panels ( and green for the JA 73/0) to corporate rail blue. I understand that I am asking a lot. My hope is that Russell Saxton has the data. I'm trying to pin a date for my stock to 1967/68 period essentially. Thanks in advance.

[RFS]

Have a look at the Southern Email Group (SEMG), in particular these pages on the class 73s.

 

SEMG Class 73s

 

And class 33s

 

SEMG Class 33s

[Natalie]

Thanks for your reply RFS. I am a member of SEmG so am already aware of those pages. There are some nice pictures of the class 73/1 locos in their original rail blue with small yellow panels and grey roof. Certainly much to inspire. What I am really after is a list of dates for repaints. There is a useful document available to SEmG members as to which units carried which livery during the green to blue transition and variations etc. I also have a detailed list of Ceps and Beps livery details with dates of outshopping.

[lapford34102]

trying to pin a date for my stock to 1967/68 period essentially.

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is going to help much but FWIW this is my take on 33/73 colours in those years on the SW Division.

I don't remember, and would seriously doubt, any 73/1's getting a repaint that early. The earliest pic I've seen of a blue FYP is of E6042 in Sept 69 but perhaps someone can better that. E6018 was in wrap round in June 67 with what looks like a grey roof.

 

As for 33,s excepting the TC fitted ones which were repainted when converted the earliest pic of a 33/0 in blue/FYP I can find is for D6515 in Nov 68. Green/FYP - all my pics are dated 69 but I seem to recall they were around in 68 as well.

HTH

Stu

[SRman]

A good many class 33s in green did not receive small yellow panels until 1967. I have a pic (in a book) at home of two 33s in green in June 1967, one with and one without yellow panels. At the same time, there is also a pic of a newly painted 33/1 in blue with full yellow ends sitting at Bournemouth surrounded by grimy steam locomotives.

 

A few 33s received yellow panels from 1965 onwards but the majority (from available photos) seem to have stayed without any yellow until 1967.

 

I have also not been able to determine when or if the earliest blue 73/1s gained BR arrows while still in the early blue with grey bands and roofs, nor which ones and when the 73/0s in green gained small yellow panels (aside from E6001). I do know that E6005 had gained small yellow panels by 1967.

[Gwiwer]

It's worth noting as well that of the push-pull 33's none were fitted with pipework whilst in green except D6580 which was a special case.

 

Livery details of the 73's is a bit of a minefield. I'd suggest trying to locate dated photos of your intended examples.

[John M Upton]

The small yellow panel on the first 33/1 conversion was also of a different size to the SYP on conventional 33's being narrower due to the presence of the MU cables on the cab front. Pics seems to be rather hard to come by of it in this condition though, it would appear that repainting in BR blue followed quickly afterwards.

 

The 73/1 with the wrap around ends was I am told applied to existing livery hence the still present grey roof, a forerunner some fifteen years early of large logo livery ironically, a green 4-CIG and a Thumper DEMU were also similarly treated at the same time, thankfully from an asethtic point of view the scheme was quickly dropped.

 

I have a picture in a book somewhere around here taken dead side on of a 33 in green livery but if you look carefully you can see that one end has a SYP, the other end does not!! Will see if I can track it down.

[5Bel]

Hi,

 

There are a couple of pics of E6018 in The Power of the Electro Diesels by C. J. Marsden. They show it in June and July 1967 with what looks like a grey roof, but it's not conclusive. I must admit it looks grey to me, which is a bind becuase I will have to repaint the roof on my model of it!! I don't know how long it lasted in this livery.

 

Hope this helps, Ian.

[Burkitt]

While on the subject of class 73 liveries, I've been trying unsuccessfully to find a prototype photo of one in Intercity with full height wrap around yellow ends and no yellow cab roofs, as depicted on this model http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/10174-forgive-me-please-i-have-sinned/page__view__findpost__p__89899 . Does anyone know of a photo online of one in this condition?

 

Paul

 

EDIT

 

Own question answered by simple expedient of Googling 73123. A particularly nice photo can be found here http://stevekempsbritishtransportphotos.fotopic.net/p48282618.html .

[Geoff Endacott]

I have been doing some research on Class 33 liveries for Burntwood Lane, Bentley MRG's new mid to late 1960s SR layout. I therefore thought I may as well resurrect this thread.

 

The latest green loco with no yellow panels I have found is D6583 in May 1968.

 

D6577 was still green with small panels in May 1969.

 

I have found D6566 green with full yellow ends at least until August 1970.

 

The earliest blue ones are the 33/1s, all with D prefix. The first one I have found without the D is 6565 in August 1969.

 

Can anyone add to this?

 

Thanks.

 

Geoff Endacott

[Gwiwer]

The SEG via their journal Live Rail recorded many years back that D6559 was the last Crompton in green possibly as late as 1971. As ever all matters are open to confirmation against official records. The magazine in question failed to survive the migration cull and is no longer a part of my personal library to refer back to.

[5Bel]

Hi All,

 

In the Ian Allan combined ABC of 1971 there is a picture of D6570 in Green with a full yellow end with the coaching stock roundel. It also has the white stripe ending behind the doors. As far as I can see it has the original roof layout. Unfortunately there is no date with the photo.

 

Cheers for now Ian.

[keefer]

for some good pics of the changing liveries in your era

 

class 33

brushveteran's flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/sets/

robertcwp's flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/collections/72157603648554014/ (page 2 of the 30/31/33/37 set)

chi trevor's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevs_trains/collections/72157605061571871/

 

class 73

robert's flckr again http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/collections/72157603648554014/

a couple in chi trevor's http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevs_trains/collections/72157625690914035/

 

(EDIT: had to link to the sets, as the links originally used kept linking to slide-shows)

 

barkingbill has this cracker of early blue E6012 with all-blue TC 428 (did the TC have a SYP in the gangway connection?) 17/3/67

http://www.flickr.co...57603700610261/

[4630]

barkingbill has this cracker of early blue E6012 with all-blue TC 428 (did the TC have a SYP in the gangway connection?) 17/3/67

 

 

Yes as shown here.

 

http://www.semgonlin...class438_1.html