Ron Ron Ron Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Some of the 180s are supposed to be going to Grand Central...... As GC is also an Arriva company, that could mean all the 180's are being transferred from First to Arriva? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Presumably there would be some level of spares commonality with 175s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted December 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2015 When Serco-Abellio took over Northern, it was a "no-growth" franchise. I believe in their period, ridership has gone up from 60 million trips to 100 million! No wonder we need MORE stock. Cheers, Mick A lot of ill-informed comment in other media and 'vox-pop' interviews about being glad to see the back of Northern. I don't think that a large proportion of the population appreciates what an excellent job they have done under very unpromising circumstances. The franchise was let on a 'no growth' basis and they have had to beg, borrow and steal to support, as Mick has said, a 60% growth in ridership. Personally I would hope that Arriva could keep Alex Hynes on as MD. Seems like a good man. Still find that Northern livery reminds me of the same colours used by the Co-op funeral service! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Still find that Northern livery reminds me of the same colours used by the Co-op funeral service! David I quite like the current Northern livery - not too brash. (Then again, the Mk3's in Arriva Wales also look good) Cheers, Mick Edited December 11, 2015 by newbryford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted December 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2015 I quite like the current Northern livery - not too brash. Cheers, Mick 'Sombre' is the word that comes to mind . . . David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) And 'receive dmus released by GW electrification' - that sounds a bit fanciful to me as there are already cascade plans for the 165s and 166s and that apart I wonder if they will actually fit 'up north' if the original tales about their dimensions actually have any foundation. So I presume it probably relates to 180s rather than anything else? It says displaced by GWML electrification, which seems a perfectly valid way to describe the release of sprinters through the cascade of 165s and 166s to other parts of the GWR network - I don't see any reason to think there's been a change of plan regarding this, even if it's likely to be delayed... Edited December 11, 2015 by Christopher125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 A bit more detail on the new trains for Northern and how the fleet will be deployed: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/arriva-confirms-northern-rolling-stock-plans.html?channel=529 Looking for differentiators that point to bid-winning elements of Arriva's plan over the others', I note that they are entering a franchise-length facilities management deal with Carillion. This looks to me like an adoption of the sort of partnership that is more commonplace on metro/ tram concessions, although Network Rail remains the key infrastructure provider for Northern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 Looking for differentiators that point to bid-winning elements of Arriva's plan over the others', I note that they are entering a franchise-length facilities management deal with Carillion. This looks to me like an adoption of the sort of partnership that is more commonplace on metro/ tram concessions, although Network Rail remains the key infrastructure provider for Northern. Nothing new in this kind of arrangement; at the moment ISS do much the same for Northern and before them, it was Jarvis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Lets hope Arriva are better at running the trains then running the buses. I spent an hour on thursday night waiting for a bus heading for Leeds, 2 buses on the Huddersfield run passed while I was waiting (same service, opposite direction). I eventualy caught a bus to Heckmondwike to use a different route only to find once I got there the next service I wanted was also suffering disruption and delays. Arriva have spent alot of money this year on brand new buses and upgrading buses on major routes, yet they regularly suffer delays. They could have spent some of the money sorting out a way to improve the service provided. Maybe keeping a couple of spare buses at mid route points to take up slack caused by heavy traffic or roadworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Northern Franchise should replace some of the 142s with a 24Car Set of these: https://youtu.be/Gj-A7TBdNXM NO MORE STANDING in the rush hour Manchester!!!!! Edited December 13, 2015 by charliepetty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2015 Northern Franchise should replace some of the 142s with a 24Car Set of these: https://youtu.be/Gj-A7TBdNXM NO MORE STANDING in the rush hour Manchester!!!!! Looks like the sort of train Crossrail ought to be buying instead of some sort of high density, overblown, UndergrounD style train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Lets hope Arriva are better at running the trains then running the buses. I spent an hour on thursday night waiting for a bus heading for Leeds, 2 buses on the Huddersfield run passed while I was waiting (same service, opposite direction). I eventualy caught a bus to Heckmondwike to use a different route only to find once I got there the next service I wanted was also suffering disruption and delays. Arriva have spent alot of money this year on brand new buses and upgrading buses on major routes, yet they regularly suffer delays. They could have spent some of the money sorting out a way to improve the service provided. Maybe keeping a couple of spare buses at mid route points to take up slack caused by heavy traffic or roadworks. This lack of spare buses (and drivers) is too common with most bus operators these days as they tighten their belts due to increased costs, insurance premiums have gone up significantly resulting in, at the worst, operators ceasing to trade (Western Greyhound for instance) while cuts in concesionary fare grants are having a significant impact where authorities like North Yorkshire are paying peanuts. My 15 min interval service (Transdev) was only 12 min late on Friday evening, better than the time the previous week when it was 22 min late and running with the following service which was only 7 min late which was pretty good timekeeping in the evening "rush hour" chaos. I would not judge how well a train service will perform based on their bus services. Edited December 14, 2015 by Butler Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2015 This lack of spare buses (and drivers) is too common with most bus operators these days as they tighten their belts due to increased costs, insurance premiums have gone up significantly resulting in, at the worst, operators ceasing to trade (Western Greyhound for instance) while cuts in concesionary fare grants are having a significant impact where authorities like North Yorkshire paying peanuts. My 15 min interval service (Transdev) was only 12 min late on Friday evening, better than the time the previous week when it was 22 min late and running with the following service which was only 7 min late which was pretty good timekeeping in the evening "rush hour" chaos. I would not judge how well a train service will perform based on their bus services. That is quite right. Buses, running on a road network with a lot of other traffic over which they have no influence, are in a very different environment from trains. Buses can only be reasonably reliable when there are significant measures (bus lanes, traffic light priority, etc) to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Arriva run our local buses and now do a good job but a while ago they did not all down to local management policy of using old clapped out vehicles ,but rail management different as they are bound by franchise agreements so probably will be okay.Did they not do okay when they ran things before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2015 What with the talk of replacing trains I hope the 156s don't go, they've got rather more table seats than most other stock I seem to end up on these days, and end doors, and an overall less bus-like feel than most. I'm always pleased to see one of them on the Buxton line (always in multiple with something less comfortable though). Guess I'm lucky the Pacers don't go up there (something about them not being able to get up the hill if one engine fails?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Did they not do okay when they ran things before? Once they'd sorted out (and unfairly taken the blame for) the unholy mess left by the previous incumbent, yes. They were an independent company then though, not part of an international group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 What with the talk of replacing trains I hope the 156s don't go, they've got rather more table seats than most other stock I seem to end up on these days, and end doors, and an overall less bus-like feel than most. I'm always pleased to see one of them on the Buxton line (always in multiple with something less comfortable though). Guess I'm lucky the Pacers don't go up there (something about them not being able to get up the hill if one engine fails?)I would be surprised if any 156s leave, in fact, I'd be surprised if more156s didn't arrive (from Scotrail). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2015 I travelled from Newcastle to Carlisle a couple of weeks ago in a Northern 156 (I had a meeting in Newcastle and it was a good opportunity to pass through my original home on the way back to my current home) and iy is easy to forget that the 156 is really a very good train. Despite their age they remain comfortable and have given the railway excellent service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The winner of the contract for new stock is CAF http://www.arriva.co.uk/media/news/2016/21-01-2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Already from this weekend have the vast majority of the specs of the new trains on services between Leeds and Harrogate, by bus with far far more legroom http://transportdesigned.com/live-blog-transdev-in-harrogates-the36-launch/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 The winner of the contract for new stock is CAF http://www.arriva.co.uk/media/news/2016/21-01-2016 Shock, Horror, newly-built trains on local services in the North. Is it 1st April already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 Shock, Horror, newly-built trains on local services in the North. Is it 1st April already? I have had a thought, that the last time we did have new units they turned out to be the much loathed 'Pacers'! I sincerely hope that these new units will be a little bit better than those 'Pacers'! With regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2016 I have had a thought, that the last time we did have new units they turned out to be the much loathed 'Pacers'! I sincerely hope that these new units will be a little bit better than those 'Pacers'! With regards, Rob. Not quite - We've actually had 150, 156, 175, 185, 350/4 from new for services to/from/within the North West. (Being pedantic, you could also include 220/221/390) Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2016 Talltim, on 21 Jan 2016 - 21:00, said: The winner of the contract for new stock is CAF http://www.arriva.co.uk/media/news/2016/21-01-2016 Good to see that Alex Hynes is staying on as MD of Northern. From my experience a man with a real passion for the job. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissRailPassion Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The new trains will look something like this (original image from CAF) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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