wagonman Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 If we are talking about Sharp Stewarts, how about [attachment=1048288:mswjr_17_small1.jpg Built 1897, and fairly unsuccessfull too much weight on the bogies Ah, but such handsome engines... I started scratchbuilding one years ago... but abandoned the project when I realised the drawing (by Hutchinson I think) was hopelessly inaccurate. This was years before Mike Barnsley's books were published. Maybe one day... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 This is what we had in mind (1881) .... The M&M had a couple of those – in slightly different sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Vast amounts of flint went from the South Coast to the potteries, by rail, in 'boulder' (big pebble) form. It was also ground at a few places on the south coast to make abrasive powder. Important sources were Rye Harbour, Birling Gap, and Newhaven East Beach, where 'blue boulders', barely-liftable pebbles with a bluish-grey exterior and a jet-black, glassy, interior, are found. The super-value of the flint at Thetford, which made if worth digging-up, when other flint could be had simply by going for a walk on the beach, was apparently that it flaked beautifully. It was a 'high value, low volume' business, hence my suggestion of lighter-flints. There's a little village near where I live called Filgrave, which would make another macabre station name. Edited September 7, 2018 by Nearholmer 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 The M&M had a couple of those – in slightly different sizes. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 i've been to Grimes Graves, another with a grave name, a real pock marked site on the landscape it was and all! We were lucky and managed to go down the ladders into one flint mine bottom, i don't think i could even walk across to reach it from the car park nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) i've been to Grimes Graves, another with a grave name, a real pock marked site on the landscape it was and all! We were lucky and managed to go down the ladders into one flint mine bottom, i don't think i could even walk across to reach it from the car park nowadays. I live about half an hour from Grimes Graves. Been there several times. Even did what you just described as a kid. It's... not as awe-inspiring on repeat viewings. Edited September 7, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I live about half an hour from Grimes Graves. Been there several times. Even did what you just described as a kid. It's... not as awe-inspiring on repeat viewings. Please post a map of the KLR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Please post a map of the KLR Will do. Might take a while though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 All this "Undiscovered Norfolk" malarky make me think that the folds on the map must extend to the depths of the Challenger Deep, which I prefer to imagine as being named after Conan Doyle's "Professor Challenger", rather than HMS Challenger, which first plumbed its depths in the early 1870s.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 All this "Undiscovered Norfolk" malarky make me think that the folds on the map must extend to the depths of the Challenger Deep, which I prefer to imagine as being named after Conan Doyle's "Professor Challenger", rather than HMS Challenger, which first plumbed its depths in the early 1870s.... I always thought that Mariana Trench would make a great name for a literary heroine. Perhaps Miss Trench, daughter of Colonel and Mrs Trench of Mildew Lodge, Little Aching, in the county of Norfolk, and named, I gather, after the popular Tennyson poem, is a denizen of West Norfolk, at least outside the Season (she came out a year or so ago if I recall). She possesses the quick wit and vivacity of her mother, Hermoine, with cool intelligence and certain of the more Mars-like characteristics of her father, who, to this day remains ignorant of many of his daughter's more interesting traits. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I can empathise with her problem..... These ruddy earbuds won't stay IN....... Mariana Trench is certainly a good literary name. I've always found that roadsigns are a great source of inspiration, though the more eyecatching ones verge on the Bulwer-Lytton or even the excitable bodice-ripping texts given away free by Amazon for the Kindle.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Wasn’t it Auguste Piccard who “reached” Mariana Trench, or don’t we wish to know that? Edited September 7, 2018 by Northroader Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I can empathise with her problem..... earbud problems again.jpg These ruddy earbuds won't stay IN....... Mariana Trench is certainly a good literary name. I've always found that roadsigns are a great source of inspiration, though the more eyecatching ones verge on the Bulwer-Lytton or even the excitable bodice-ripping texts given away free by Amazon for the Kindle.... I once sketched out an entire US soap opera, set in the deep south, in which all the characters were named after towns in northern England. IIRC, it centred on the rivalry between Preston Brooke and Hebden Bridge. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted September 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2018 Wasn’t it Auguste Piccard who “reached” Mariana Trench, or don’t we wish to know that? It was his son Jacques who first touched the bottom of Mariana Trench. He did it with Don Walsh! While his father could be said to having prepared the ground he was more known for going up than down... I think I'll stop there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 It was his son Jacques who first touched the bottom of Mariana Trench. He did it with Don Walsh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy2305 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 With all this talk of Alternative Norfolk it is interesting to note that the Lynn and Dereham Railway had intention to extended east to Norwich but scrapped the plans when the line from Wymondham opened before they could reach Dereham. It would however make for an interesting "what if", especially when one considers the implications such a route would have had on the later opening of City station by the Lynn and Fakenham Railway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I once sketched out an entire US soap opera, set in the deep south, in which all the characters were named after towns in northern England. IIRC, it centred on the rivalry between Preston Brooke and Hebden Bridge. Was there a Mr P Tone who never could forgive his parents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Which all reminds me of the Compass Deep Mine, source of traffic on my garden railway for a while. It originated in the way my son pronounced ‘compost heap’ when he was about three, and it took me a while to realise that he pronounced it that way because he was copying how I pronounced it! The mine/heap was closed after it was colonised by very aggressive wasps, who built a gigantic nest in it. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 The mine/heap was closed after it was colonised by very aggressive wasps, who built a gigantic nest in it. Swamps suffer similar problems ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Amid all this talk of sharp, Stewart I've always wondered how the loco studs of the smaller Irish railways might translate to English secondary lines. Lots of nice beyer, peacocks and their love of rivets.. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) I always thought that Mariana Trench would make a great name for a literary heroine. Perhaps Miss Trench, daughter of Colonel and Mrs Trench of Mildew Lodge, Little Aching, in the county of Norfolk, and named, I gather, after the popular Tennyson poem, is a denizen of West Norfolk, at least outside the Season (she came out a year or so ago if I recall). She possesses the quick wit and vivacity of her mother, Hermoine, with cool intelligence and certain of the more Mars-like characteristics of her father, who, to this day remains ignorant of many of his daughter's more interesting traits. I thought we already had a Moated Grange - Smoxburgh Hall, home of the Acton-Tichingfelds. How does that fit? Or is Mildew Lodge another such? Quite a modelling challenge: With blackest moss the flower-plots / were thickly crusted, one and all: / the rusted nails fell from the knots / that held the pear to the gable-wall. / The broken sheds look'd sad and strange: / unlifted was the clinking latch; / weeded and worn the ancient thatch... Edited September 8, 2018 by Compound2632 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I thought we already had a Moated Grange - Smoxburgh Hall, home of the Acton-Tichingfelds. How does that fit? Or is Mildew Lodge another such? Quite a modelling challenge: With blackest moss the flower-plots / were thickly crusted, one and all: / the rusted nails fell from the knots / that held the pear to the gable-wall. / The broken sheds look'd sad and strange: / unlifted was the clinking latch; / weeded and worn the ancient thatch... The district boasts several notables. A retired officer could reside in a "gentleman's house"; unless he was independently wealthy and had inherited an estate, he might not run to a large demesne. A Major, whose name escapes me, lived at Docking Hall and was a supporter of the Lynn and Hunstanton (GER). As we now have a Colonel Trench, we must not forget the baleful presence of the irascible Colonel Knap-Flint. While I think Colonel Trench, perhaps a career Indian Officer, might command our respect and sympathy, Knap-Flint is an officer rather in the mould of the Duke of Cambridge ("I don't believe in brains!"); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George,_Duke_of_Cambridge The Erstwhiles of Aching Hall are, I suspect, a Whig family, their seat constructed in the first quarter of the Eighteenth Century in the Palladian manner. The Acton-Tichingfelds are an old recusant family. Smoxburgh came to the Tichingfeld family by marriage in the early Fifteenth Century. The present house dates from the last quarter of that century. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2018 Clearly it'll be important to understand in which of the local railway companies the local gentry have shares and what traffic they bring. On Coachmann's thread was posted a Great Western report on Ruabon Station, 1925, which reads as a briefing document for an incoming station master. This lists the "principal residents in the district". For the convenience of the chief nob, "a combined saloon and hounds van and also a brivate horse box are stabled during the hunting season". Did other companies compile such reports is was it just a Great Western thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted September 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2018 So far, the WNR is said to have had a small Sharp Stewart 2-4-0, with 4-wheel tender. These were (also) supplied to the Cambrian ('Small Passenger") and the Furness (E1 Class). Like this http://search.digido.org.uk/?id=llgc-id%3a1124930&query=*&query_type=full_text&page=10&qf=subject_lctgm_topic%3aRailroads 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 Like this http://search.digido.org.uk/?id=llgc-id%3a1124930&query=*&query_type=full_text&page=10&qf=subject_lctgm_topic%3aRailroads Yes! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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