RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2020 So the clearance issues are more to do with the end/centre throw of longer vehicles, rather than just a case of 'too big' dimensionally? (Apologies if this has been covered further back in the thread) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 A chap called Mark Brinton had done an extensive report on stock suitability for the IoWR. ISTR it's been mentioned on here before on another thread. Mark has been a member of the IWSR for many years and was on the C&W at Ryde works for a number of years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Here's a link to Mark Brinton. i can't find a direct link to his report at the moment. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiDqqCo1sLnAhX6ThUIHUt_CYgQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fonthewight.com%2Fquestion-on-validity-of-garnett-report-leads-to-calls-from-cllr-to-not-endorse-it%2F&usg=AOvVaw20O_zD2LBP5Pmhte9snV93 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Here's Mark Brinton's 2016 report. I remember he done an earlier report comparing the different rolling stock, maybe in the mid 1980s. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwi44_jS18LnAhWqRhUIHVJfBZwQFjACegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.railfuture.org.uk%2FDL1236&usg=AOvVaw3Rt5G0Y0TMhZ_L-EbWspH- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) On 08/02/2020 at 09:08, roythebus said: Yes I'm well aware of that. There was plenty of Mk1 suburban stock around but as we know it was thought to be too big. As has ben discovered in the recent past, the class 33 that visited the IWSR fitted through the structures on that line with no problem, which suggests that Mk1 stock "could" have fitted with modifications to the alignment such as those currently under discussion. You need to be careful in extrapolating what has run on the IOWSR to the rest of the island railways. For starters the IOWSR lacks a tunnel or a weight restricted pier. Back in the 1960s BR was not in a position to spend a fortune on new builds or indeed invest in significant infrastructure alterations. Indeed initially the plans were to fit the tube stock with Diesel engines, but it soon transpired this conversation would be much more expensive than slapping down some con rail (that could be bought as part of the much bigger Bournemouth scheme). It’s notable that apart from electrification, most of the rest of the infrastructure was left exactly as it was in steam days - hence the requirement for electric trains arriving at Shanklin to use a retained stub of the closed Ventnor line to shunt back into the other platform to depart back to Ryde. Edited February 9, 2020 by phil-b259 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardLong Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On 8 February 2020 at 14:54, keefer said: So the clearance issues are more to do with the end/centre throw of longer vehicles, rather than just a case of 'too big' dimensionally? (Apologies if this has been covered further back in the thread) Apparently, yes. My understanding is that curvature of the tunnel is a greater restriction than the height clearance. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Connell Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/isle-of-wight-transformation-gets-underway/57194.article News about developments on the line. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatC Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) There was an update on the Island Line sitution on the BBC local news last night; https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ly1l/south-today-evening-news-20082020 from about 13:20. Not a bad report, other than the fact that they keep calling the D stock 'tube trains'. Edited August 21, 2020 by PatC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 How much use will the snow ploughs get? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted August 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2020 Another report here. https://www.islandecho.co.uk/first-photos-of-new-island-line-trains-released-ahead-of-track-testing/?fbclid=IwAR1df1knS_db7A4OOgtPOTN8A1sphe6DXTU_0MnMH2SGjcFWqyAWxHUQEyE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Zomboid said: How much use will the snow ploughs get? I don't think they are snow ploughs, I think they are obstacle deflectors? Best Scott EDIT: From this article https://www.railmagazine.com/trains/current-trains/vivarail-s-grand-designs : 'Safety is an important aspect both for Bates and Vivarail Chairman Adrian Shooter. There is no regulation that says the D-train will need additional strengthening, because the D78-Stock is already approved to run on the railway (so the new train benefits from its ‘grandfather rights’). But Shooter says that the team has still chosen to do it: “We looked at what the actual risks are at level crossings over the last ten years or so, and we’re protecting the driver and anyone else that’s in the cab against those risks.” Bates elaborates: “We’re re-engineering the front end to improve the survivability of the space. We’re putting an obstacle deflector down below - we’ve done the research into the number of accidents that this train is likely to be at risk from (mainly on level crossings and rural environments).' Edited August 21, 2020 by scottystitch 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Not snow deflectors, then ............. even of the wrong type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Some interesting information here about proposed preservation of the old stock: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/07/30/support-the-campaign-to-bring-a-vintage-tube-train-to-epping/amp/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Worth noting that this weekend they are lowering the Down line under Smallbrook Lane, having done the same for the Up under Rink Road in Ryde last weekend - that should address the two tightest spots on the line for headroom and allow the 484s to start testing in the coming months. 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2020 Most uncommonly for a TOC during theser works SWR (Island Line) is providing rail-replacement buses to and from a heritage railway location. Buses operate Ryde (Esplanade - Bus Station) to Havenstreet for those wishing to visit the IoWSR. Buses cannot access Smallbrook Junction which is the normal point of interchange. Passengers holding tickets to Smallbrook Junction will be conveyed instead to and from Havenstreet. Buses also operate Ryde - Shanklin not serving Pier Head or Smallbrook. Taxis operate along Ryde Pier which cannot accommodate buses. For the first weekend a train shuttle operated Pier Head - Esplanade but with work now taking place in Ryde this is no longer possible. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Gwiwer said: Most uncommonly for a TOC during theser works SWR (Island Line) is providing rail-replacement buses to and from a heritage railway location. Buses operate Ryde (Esplanade - Bus Station) to Havenstreet for those wishing to visit the IoWSR. Buses cannot access Smallbrook Junction which is the normal point of interchange. Passengers holding tickets to Smallbrook Junction will be conveyed instead to and from Havenstreet. Buses also operate Ryde - Shanklin not serving Pier Head or Smallbrook. Taxis operate along Ryde Pier which cannot accommodate buses. For the first weekend a train shuttle operated Pier Head - Esplanade but with work now taking place in Ryde this is no longer possible. They are supposed to be using mini-buses to connect with Ryde Pierhead, according to the release? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, Gwiwer said: Most uncommonly for a TOC during theser works SWR (Island Line) is providing rail-replacement buses to and from a heritage railway location. Buses operate Ryde (Esplanade - Bus Station) to Havenstreet for those wishing to visit the IoWSR. Buses cannot access Smallbrook Junction which is the normal point of interchange. Passengers holding tickets to Smallbrook Junction will be conveyed instead to and from Havenstreet. Buses also operate Ryde - Shanklin not serving Pier Head or Smallbrook. Taxis operate along Ryde Pier which cannot accommodate buses. For the first weekend a train shuttle operated Pier Head - Esplanade but with work now taking place in Ryde this is no longer possible. Will the steam railway still be running all the way to Smallbrook? I presume Havenstreet was chosen as it is easier for buses to access than the other stations closer to Smallbrook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted August 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said: Will the steam railway still be running all the way to Smallbrook? I presume Havenstreet was chosen as it is easier for buses to access than the other stations closer to Smallbrook. Smallbrook Junction - No Road or footpath access Ashey - Footpath only Havenstreet - Access for Minibuses EDIT: Access for buses Wootton - Bus access but futher away than Havenstreet Edited August 24, 2020 by Chris116 Better information from Gwiwer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gwiwer said: For the first weekend a train shuttle operated Pier Head - Esplanade but with work now taking place in Ryde this is no longer possible. I'm sure I saw both 006 and 008 at St Johns and the track relaying would surely have meant no power supply? Edited August 24, 2020 by Christopher125 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted August 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 21/08/2020 at 11:25, scottystitch said: “We looked at what the actual risks are at level crossings over the last ten years or so, and we’re protecting the driver and anyone else that’s in the cab against those risks.” Bates elaborates: “We’re re-engineering the front end to improve the survivability of the space. We’re putting an obstacle deflector down below - we’ve done the research into the number of accidents that this train is likely to be at risk from (mainly on level crossings and rural environments).' The rural environment bit is probably more useful on the Island Line - lots of trees that could drop branches onto the line, wheras there's no level crossings (at least no public road ones, I think there's a couple of occupation/footpath crossings) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Christopher125 said: I'm sure I saw both 006 and 008 at St Johns and the track relaying would surely have meant no power supply? The substation at Ryde is at the Southern end of the platform at Ryde St John's, next to the signal box. So any track relaying between there and Esplanade would mean no power to the pier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Chris116 said: Havenstreet - Access for Minibuses Havenstreet is accessible by full-size buses. The former Southern Vectis route 3 which linked Ryde and Newport that way was often run by double-deckers. 17 hours ago, Mike Storey said: They are supposed to be using mini-buses to connect with Ryde Pierhead, according to the release? 7-seater taxis as I understand it. There is a weight and size limit on the pier. It once accommodated 16-seat minibuses (Southern Vectis briefly experimented with peak-time bus services from Pier Head direct to the suburbs of Ryde and Newport for commuters using Ford Transit vehicles but they were little-used and lasted barely a year) but I believe no longer does. Always happy to be corrected if required. 13 hours ago, Christopher125 said: I'm sure I saw both 006 and 008 at St Johns and the track relaying would surely have meant no power supply? All units would be located at St. Johns when the power is off. The entire line was off-supply for the past weekend as work was taking place at several locations. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Havenstreet Bridge is 13'6", so only suitable for lowbridge buses and single decks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) On 24/08/2020 at 15:24, Gwiwer said: All units would be located at St. Johns when the power is off. The entire line was off-supply for the past weekend as work was taking place at several locations. That's why I was surprised you mentioned a Pier Head-Esplanade shuttle for the first closure? Anyways, last weekends Smallbrook Lane gauging work looks complete - some nice new track and ballast on the Down Line under the bridge ready for the 484s to start overnight testing in the coming months. Shame about the signal/points failure on Monday morning though... Edited August 26, 2020 by Christopher125 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 The first unit, 484001, has arrived on the Island: https://www.islandecho.co.uk/first-new-train-for-island-line-arrives-on-the-isle-of-wight/?fbclid=IwAR1GnAZe5S9bcMz4prEgYaauHsEbnjC_bYCCCsZcFvzR2sgbki8Tk4yg3IY 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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