bendy1 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hi Tony. It's still available. You will find it in metal forming section under drilling tables. It's the 12" table plus the bending attachments listed. You get a load of clamps and bending bars of various diameters. Ken many thanks - I hadn't noticed it as a "drilling table". Sounds like an idea for a christmas present! Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Tender all boxed off, went together extremely well. Now for the business end. This part of the kit was designed in 2014. So this should be an interesting build. Starting with the chassis in the same manner as the tender. The two central axles are sprung in my usual fashion. All going as well as the tender. Tender ready for priming. Loco chassis under way. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibateg Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Looking good Ken, I'm watching with interest, as I have one of these to build soon. Regards Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Hi all. It's coming along very nicely. The dummy valve gear is a nice touch even if quite basic. All is going together well. The clearances are minimal but will work with no problems. The only issue was the wheels centre bosses fouling the coupling rods. I had to pack them out with washers. The brake hangers and brake blocks are made up of seven parts for each one, so very fiddly and there's eight to assemble but look very nice. Still a bit to do on the chassis though. Edited November 29, 2014 by jazz 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) Just about completed the chassis as far as I can until the body is completed. The bogie is a very his and simple fold up job. The chassis will easily negotiate 6' radius. The only modification (as suggested in the instructions) is the removal of the half etched area on the frames above the bogie wheels. This is to allow them to swing on anything less than prototype scale curves. (Not found on typical layouts of course.) I also decided not to add the vacuum pump but have fitted the actuating bracket to the crosshead. The pump cannot be seen with the body in place so not real point it drilling out the casting and fitting it in my opinion. Now on with the body. for a couple of days before having to move to another project. Edited November 30, 2014 by jazz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Hi Ken I'm hoping to get one of these kits in 2015 so please post as many pictures as you can Many thanks Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Will do Peter. The first small problem is this bracket, It will not fit across the splashers. Files were used to correct gap. No problem doing that. Placing the body on the chassis brought the next problem. Following the instructions in fitting the cylinder wrappers. i.e. start with the holes for the drain cocks lined up with the cylinder covers and work upwards, results in the recess for the snifters being for too high to allow the body to sit down correctly. I decided to make the recesses deeper and add new flanges made up of solder. Of course ned time I will start at the top and work down, drilling new holes for the drain cocks. The cab was no problem to build at all. Great care bending the front and rear footplate extensions goes without saying. (These are critical bends.) The only other mod I did was to add another thickness behind the buffer beam as it looked too thin compared to photographs of 4702. Snifter valves too high. New recesses cut and flange made of solder. All sitting pretty now. Edited December 1, 2014 by jazz 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 A little bit more done today. The trickiest part so far, get the firebox wrapper bent exactly to shape. Annealing it and much bending and tweaking to get it right. I much prefer the resin cast variety these days, they are fool proof but unfortunately much more expensive. Another small issue arose when placing the body on the chassis at the end of the session. The sanding operating rod sat on top of the cross rod on the dummy valve gear. Only way round that was to cut a gap in the cross rod. This should be hidden when the covers are fitted to the footplate. See second photo. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Hi all. Today is the last day on the 47xx for a few days whilst I get on with another project that is unavoidable. All told, this is a nice kit despite some minor issues that are easily sorted. The main thing is to plan ahead and figure out the build sequence that is best suited to you. I always look at how the manufacturer suggest the build and usually find a better way to do that suits me. I like the kind of instructions that are in this kit, i.e. written and exploded diagrams. It's the diagrams that I mostly follow, only referring to written if I'm not sure exactly where or how a part is meant to fit. Enough waffling, The boiler is ready rolled and fits well to the front and rear formers. You will have to shave a little from the era end of the seam as it will overlap if you fail to do that. The formers fit inside etched grooves and also have etched centre marks. I start at the top mark and spot solder my way round equally a alternating from one side the other. Checking as I go to ensure all is absolutely square. Finished of by soldering the seam Do not forget to solder 8BA bolts facing out from the formers, easily forgotten and cannot be added later. After making up the smokebox and mating together it was quickly noticed the front of the boiler was not vertical. Very easily rectified by filing back the bottom half of the protruding flange so it's flush with the former. Leaving the top part alone you will end up with it correct. Photos show the result. Add all the boiler & firebox bands, bolt it all together and when all is square solder it all together. Boiler soldered up. I use those ply squares to hold things whilst soldering, saves burned fingers. The boiler front needs filing to get it vertical. Quite a bit off vertical. All squared off now. The bottom of the boiler should be parallel to the footplate. A really good fit on the chassis with no juggling required. Back soon. Edited December 3, 2014 by jazz 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Out of interest, have you built the Finney version of this loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Out of interest, have you built the Finney version of this loco? Not yet, Steve. If there are no buyers for his Martin's business, I doubt I ever will. Edited December 3, 2014 by jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 We've not heard owt yet, have we? Yet I was assured it would sell...........and not just by Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 We've not heard owt yet, have we? Yet I was assured it would sell...........and not just by Martin. Worrying times, and now Pat Legg from CPL, which was her late Husbands business has announced she is to retire, how many more !!! Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Strange...I spoke to her today, and she stressed that the business will NOT be run down like Martin Finney did, but will be sold as a fully stocked going concern. Nevertheless, I shall stock up on diesel couplings and crankpins. I'm not sure if CPL still do the gauge faces as decals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibateg Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Last time I asked, they were not available any more, 'cos they couldn't get them printed, I did see Pat today, but forgot to ask... Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 If someone were to draw out gauges using, say a technical pen, how difficult would it be to reduce them for printing? And can anyone explain "laser plotting"? MMP include "laser plotted" dials in their kits, you can light them from behind....how difficult is that to do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Martin finney is closed for business, all products withdraw and web sit closed notice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Not according to this: http://website.lineone.net/~cbwesson/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Not according to this: http://website.lineone.net/~cbwesson/ All very confusing, his website says kits no longer available???? http://website.lineone.net/~cbwesson/ Then Try clicking on the links to purchase a kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hmmmmmmmmmm, yes. Looks like the business is closed, and zero news on it's continuing? I feared as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How's the 47xx coming along? I'm pretty sure you have built a scorpio 61XX large Prarie, do you by any chance know roughly where in this thread before I go trawling through. Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 How's the 47xx coming along? I'm pretty sure you have built a scorpio 61XX large Prarie, do you by any chance know roughly where in this thread before I go trawling through. Cheers Steve Hi Steve. I have no idea where it would be, it's a case of trawling I'm afraid. Regards, Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No worries mate I found it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Hi Ken Is the 47xx finished yet, is this one going to Conrad for painting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Hi Steve. Just got back yesterday from two weeks in Florida doing work on our daughters house and relaxing enjoying some sunshine too. So it's now back to the 47xx and hoping to finish it by Christmas, fingers crossed. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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