dibateg Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Ken, Putting my mate's Acme Ivatt alongside my MOK ones, the proportions are generally similar. Check the boiler/firebox, they do seem a little too large, so might need a little reduction in size... Regards Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Hi Tony. Thanks for the heads up. Although sounds par for the course with this kit. The trickiest parts have now been done. I have to clean up the solder along the edges of the roof though. The rest of the tender should be fairly straight forward. Edited September 26, 2014 by jazz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) Detailing is now well under way. Should be boxed off tomorrow . The tender has not been that bad to build, the business end of the loco may be a different story. Time will tell. The only real issue was the coal shut, but that is not uncommon on many kits to get one that fits perfectly without fair amount of fettling. The tender cab was also a bit of a pain to get it all to fit. I had to do a bit of chopping and filing on that. Got there in the end. Edited September 27, 2014 by jazz 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Oh dear, what can I say. This is an awful kit. The faults are many. To start with the frames are not of equal length . The coupling rods do not match the axle holes. The coupling rod bush holes are enormous and will require reducing by a considerable amount to accept the Slater's wheels. The front cylinder etch is not the same size as the rear etch. To cap all that the frame spacers are of differing widths and (excluding the front ones, of course. As the frames are wider in from the cylinders forward.) The front frame spears were too wide, nowhere near matching the front footplate etch. I have remedied all that and now looking at getting the slide bar castings to fit. That problem also meant altering the slots in the cylinder front etches. Looks like this will be a long build. Edited September 30, 2014 by jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Pity they didn't supply you with the MOK version Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Pity they didn't supply you with the MOK version Ken I was asked if I was up to the challenge Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibateg Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) I remember when I had an unbuilt one Ken - a friend phoned up:-( in a Yorkshire accent ) 'Have you got one of those Acme Ivatts?'. 'Yes' I replied... 'Well chuck it in't bin, its rubbish!'. My friend has made two! I got shot of mine...... Cheers Tony Edited October 1, 2014 by dibateg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Not fit for purpose in my opinion, I thought most of the El- Crapo type kits had disappeared. It is not a class of loco I would choose but for the unwary first time kit builder it would be enough to put him off for life. Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 It will be interesting to see what I can make of it. One thing for certain there will be compromises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 1, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2014 Oh dear, what can I say. This is an awful kit. The faults are many. To start with the frames are not of equal length . The coupling rods do not match the axle holes. The coupling rod bush holes are enormous and will require reducing by a considerable amount to accept the Slater's wheels. The front cylinder etch is not the same size as the rear etch. To cap all that the frame spacers are of differing widths and (excluding the front ones, of course. As the frames are wider in from the cylinders forward.) The front frame spears were too wide, nowhere near matching the front footplate etch. I have remedied all that and now looking at getting the slide bar castings to fit. That problem also meant altering the slots in the cylinder front etches. Looks like this will be a long build. IMG_2369.jpg But other than that it's OK? ;-p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 But other than that it's OK? ;-p Perfect 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikitriki Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Looks like this will be a long build. IMG_2369.jpg So that's a week then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 So that's a week then. Could be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 I have as much as I can on the chassis until the body now needs to be started. This is to enable the positioning of detail parts such as steam pipes, lubricators, footplate supports etc., etc. It has been a long haul to get the chassis to run without tight spots due to the already mentioned inaccuracies. A lot of adjustments to the axle and coupling rods was in order. All in all, a lot of colourful cussing and new inventive swearing under the breath. Result is now a free running chassis. Now onwards with the body. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckjumper Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Oh dear, what can I say. This is an awful kit. The faults are many.... Ah, a typical day with an Acme kit. The last one I had I felt like taking it up the local clay pigeon shooting range, loading it into a trap and shouting 'Pull!' We definitely need a 'Heroic' button added to the forum software for anyone completing one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think with ACME kits it all depends on there parentage. I have done a few and they were not to bad I had worse. I think this one is known to be a nightmare. The 2MT was not to bad at all, only my changes complicated it. The modified Hall I did although a rebuild was very nice to reassemble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Hi Adrian. A glutton for punishment award? Right on Peter. This is an ex College Models kit. I too, have built some OK Acme models. Edited October 3, 2014 by jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckjumper Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hi Adrian. A glutton for punishment award? Right on Peter. This is an ex College Models kit. I too, have built some OK Acme models. That's the award Ken. I'll get Andy on to Warner's - I'm sure they'll sponsor it. Chris (2manySpams) might be interested to know that Mike Williams was the owner and designer of College Models kits, and of course he's now the owner of Agenoria and designed Chris' 1366 kit... circles within circles.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2014 That's the award Ken. I'll get Andy on to Warner's - I'm sure they'll sponsor it. Chris (2manySpams) might be interested to know that Mike Williams was the owner and designer of College Models kits, and of course he's now the owner of Agenoria and designed Chris' 1366 kit... circles within circles.... I'll let you tell Chris.There's an award I'm sure he'd like to give him.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 3, 2014 That's the award Ken. I'll get Andy on to Warner's - I'm sure they'll sponsor it. Chris (2manySpams) might be interested to know that Mike Williams was the owner and designer of College Models kits, and of course he's now the owner of Agenoria and designed Chris' 1366 kit... circles within circles.... Explains a lot! I'll let you tell Chris.There's an award I'm sure he'd like to give him.... Indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I do not know what happened to the Ivatt class 4 as I have built 3 College kit locos, non were straight forward, but were acceptable. The 4 seem to be something designed to put people off of kit building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) I have had the pleasure of constructing some of Mike's kits he has produced since taking the helm of Agenoria. I found them to to be OK. (1366 ws not one of them) I built this model of Agenoria as soon as he launched it. I am quite pleased with the model, although I did not make it a working model as I wanted a display model only. I did start off intending it to be a working but after snapping two drill bits trying to drill to the cylinders, gave up on that idea. The pillar drill and small drills were too much I guess. (Maybe a lathe might have done better had I owned one.) Anyway here she is on the widow ledge. Noe to the Ivatt. Slow progress sees the cab/firebox/boiler/smokebox almost ready. I have to fettle the firebox front casting to sit between the frames . That will then allow the firebox sides to fit nicely just over the outside of the said frames. The pony truck was very fiddly to construct but now look the part after a couple of alterations. i.e the length of the truck arms were 7mm too long and the front and rear spacers were too wide (or the centre spacer too narrow depending how you looked at it) Get the basic body solder together tomorrow and then the lengthy home run can start. Edited October 3, 2014 by jazz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 It is taking shape nicely, I scratch built one in 4mm many years ago. I think it took 3 or 4 times longer to detail with all that visible pipe work, than the main construction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 Peter, I cannot imagine scratch building one of those, especially in 4mm, awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 I feel the important aspects of the build in now completed. Meaning the rest is now detailing, yes, there is a LOT of that to do. It took a lot of readjusting to get it all to sit together correctly, or as close as I could it to. The white metal steam pipe on the buffer beam was just too fragile to be of use. It snapped twice with just the smallest nudge. So I'm scratch building one using wire, tubing and coil expansion spring. The smoke box front casting was too small, so I soldered a sleeve insert and then finished it of after soldering the casting in place with 20thou wire around the edge and careful filing to blend it all in. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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