RMweb Gold Savoyard Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2016 Whilst searching for something completely unrelated I came across the a new EU Directive 2016/04/EC in Harmonised Standards which will have a major effect on our hobby in here the UK. It appears on first reading that this directive is an attempt to get round the discrepancy caused by the compromise UK OO Scale and the track gauge not being a true scale of the real thing, which is seriously misleading to public and needs to be addressed. This is not a problem with HO as the tack gauge is correct. Therefore they propose to make it illegal to produce 4 mm models that use the current HO Gauge of 16.5 mm. Therefore from 01/01/17 all 4 mm models can only be sold with correctly gauged wheel at 18.83 and it will be illegal to sell any wheels less than this gauge if they are intended for 4 mm models. It will also be illegal to regauge any new models bought after this date. I have not yet read far enough to see how it will affect existing 4 mm models and obviously layouts built to the 16.5 gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2016 It may be April 1st, but you'll have to try harder than that. MUCH harder..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 And be more original. EC critical of popular hobby By Avril Poisson European affairs reporter A new report by the European Commission could affect one of the Britain's more quirky hobbies, model trains. The EC Enterprise Directorate-General report entitled "Efficiency and Accountability of European Standardisation under the New Approach" criticises the UK's use of model train scales which are different to the rest of Europe. The EU report accuses UK model train manufacturers of violating Technical Harmonisation Directives and not conforming to standard trade descriptions. In one example, the report describes some types of model train track being marketed as both 'HO' and 'OO' scales which it says are different sizes. The report offers a list of 90 recommendations, including passing legislation if required to bring UK model train manufacturers into line with Europe. Another criticism was of small model trains built to 'N' scale. John Emerson, editor of British Railway Modelling magazine, said "British 'N' scale is standardised to a scale of 1:148, unlike the rest of the world which uses a ratio of 1:160, while preserving the track gauge of 9 mm. The inaccuracy of British 'N' offends some purists, but that's how it is." Emerson also said this is why American and European 'HO' scale trains use a ratio of 1:87 whereas British 'OO' scale trains use a ratio of 1:76, on the same 16.5 mm track gauge. EC Standardisation Unit spokesman Aout Premier said the situation was confusing and the UK should meet European standards. He said that technical harmonisation standards were approved by the "New Approach" Council Resolution in 1985 and enacted by the European Commission after consultation with member states. In Britain, the prominent anti-Europe MP Sir Peter Tapsell called on the Department of Trade and Industry to reject the European directives. He said "The nation that invented railways should not change its unique identity and bow to petty directives which the EU did not have the power to enforce." But Premier said the EU can enforce common standards through several Directives concerning the design, manufacture and marketing of consumer products. Premier said that Directive 378/1988 on toy safety and Directive 68/1993 on low-voltage electrical equipment could be applied to model trains. If the UK failed to meet standards, Premier said that EU could revoke the right of UK model manufacturers to display the 'CE' conformity mark. The models could then be deemed non-conforming and measures could be taken to stop their manufacture and make their sale illegal. Emerson rejected the claims saying "We are not talking about toys. We are talking about very high quality detailed models." A spokesman for the Union Européenne des Modélistes Ferroviaires des Chemins de Fer, a Swiss-based group that represents national federations of railroad modellers in 18 European countries, said he hoped the UK would accept the EC standards and adopt European scales. - The Guardian, 1 April 2005 Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Savoyard Posted April 1, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2016 'And be more original' Sadly I haven't got a complete mental index of RMWeb postings especially from 11 years ago! I thought I might add a little light hearted fun and I hadn't seen the original posting, I'll not waste my time in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2016 Oh heck - this could lead to yet another debate about track standards and gauges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 The Guardian, how very.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Oh heck - this could lead to yet another debate about track standards and gauges Don't you mean the same debate held yet again? Anyway, if it leads to a frantic dumping of OO gauge stuff before the ban is imposed, I can grab some cheap stuff to convert to EM or P4, and O-16.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2016 May I propose that the scale be renamed as: 4mm to 304.8mm? That should suitably screw Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 May I propose that the scale be renamed as: 4mm to 304.8mm? That should suitably screw Europe. Except for the track gauge, which is 3.5mm to 304.8mm . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2016 There was a nice one on the Scotrail website this morning saying that a second Forth rail bridge was to be built to increase capacity. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Would this matter anyway if we vote to leave the EU....... ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2016 So someone posts a harmless April Fool item and gets told it isn't original and it isn't funny enough. Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2016 So someone posts a harmless April Fool item and gets told it isn't original and it isn't funny enough. Sigh. See http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/109000-announcing-the-rmweb-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-vu-debating-society-well-not-really/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2016 It wont stop those Chinese dumping their cheap models here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 With his French connections, I'm sure Brunel would've been very persuasive with Eurocrats.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 So someone posts a harmless April Fool item and gets told it isn't original and it isn't funny enough. Sigh. Yes it was rather rude and unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted April 17, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2016 There was a nice one on the Scotrail website this morning saying that a second Forth rail bridge was to be built to increase capacity. Jamie If it were true, shouldn't it have been the Fifth rail bridge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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