Donington Road Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 14 hours ago, melmerby said: It's possible the position of the pipe is not correctly marked on the maps they are using, which is not unusual. It seems the Victorians and others were not very concientous when mapping services. 4 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: And many pipes on private property are not recorded in the water company records or on maps. We had this in Newtown where a lot of the water pipework was added years after the houses were built and goes through archways in terraces and through back gardens, having originally served a single wash-house used by half a dozen houses. Sewers ditto. There was more information on our deeds than in the water company records. OK until someone builds an extension and then there is a leak underneath it. Jonathan A long time ago the water supply came from the Helpston area. These days I am pretty sure it comes from two sources, Rutland Water and the River Nene at Wansford. The pipe line in question is still active. It would have originally come from Peterborough Waterworks, a fine old Victorian building at Waterworks Lane. photo by: Mark Bardill Perhaps Morgan Sindall had been working on the same assumption that I have regarding the direction of the pipe line as the crow flies. Looking at Google maps the alignment of the pipe across the Joint Line in relation to Lincoln Road suggests that it does follow a straight line to the Peterborough Waterworks building. Here are some images taken from Google Maps. ....and here is another part of the same water supply. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2020 The picture of a large pipe (or two) crossing the new road bridge suggests some re-routing. Otherwise wouldn't the easiest option just be a new pipe bridge over the new diveunder line? I wonder whether the pipe might run under Lincoln Road, up to Waterworks Lane jn., then down to the works? No doubt we will find out in due course after more excavations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) The GN acquired it's water for evaporation from a borehole near Helpston and the Midland had theirs near Bainton. I'm surprised the pipelines for these have not materialised as part of these works. Edited November 1, 2020 by LNERGE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 This article about Werrington water troughs published about six years ago by respected local railway historian Peter Waszak maybe of interest. It includes location of bore holes. The photo is of an Atlantic on the Up Fast heading towards Werrngton Junction, the foobridge in the background is Hurn Road which at that time only spanned the four track ECML, the Down Slow is to the left of the sleepers and the water softening plant on the right is where the dive under box is being built. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 The 1914 map shows a GNR pump house near Lolham and MR pump house at Bainton Ballast Siding. Another GN pump house is shown in the vee at Werrington Junction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, LNERGE said: The 1914 map shows a GNR pump house near Lolham and MR pump house at Bainton Ballast Siding. Another GN pump house is shown in the vee at Werrington Junction. A lot of these pumping stations were for draining water off low lying land which was prone to flooding into the larger drains and rivers. Up until the late 50's early 60's South Lincolnshire was dottied with small diesel generator pumps in corrugated sheds where water was pumped from dykes into the larger waterways. As the water table lowered over the years these pumps have become redundant with only much larger pumps still being used where medium size drains are pumped into the rivers. The first part of this video shows the pumping station at Peakirk which pumps the water from around the northern edge of Werrington (Carr Dyke, Folly River), the new Brook Drain from the west of the ECML, and all drainage dykes around Glinton which are south of the Maxey Cut into the River Welland. Water that will be constantly pumped out of the dive under will eventually go through this pump at Peakirk. If it ever fails then we will be getting wet feet very quickly. https://www.facebook.com/deepingstjamesac/videos/peakirk-pumping-station-please-see-previous-map-1-on-earlier-post/2110099115901695/ 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It would be quite unusual for pumping stations to be provided by railway companies? Most are run by internal drainage boards or similar. Those on the map are marked as belonging to the MR/GNR. Once I can escape from work later I’ll have a look at the GN Engine sheds book. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 hours ago, LNERGE said: It would be quite unusual for pumping stations to be provided by railway companies? Most are run by internal drainage boards or similar. Those on the map are marked as belonging to the MR/GNR. Once I can escape from work later I’ll have a look at the GN Engine sheds book. Having cut through the flood plain at Lolham the GNR may have been obliged to install their own pump to keep the trackbed dry. The present day pumps being installed alongside the dive under are not the responsibility of Anglian Water but no doubt Anglian Water will be charging Network Rail for discharging the surplus water into Brook Drain. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Men, machines and mud. A YouTube video from Trains on the ECML: Edited November 3, 2020 by Crun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 At Lincoln Road the fractured water pipe has been fixed with a rubber bandage. To the right of it, it appears the pipe is encased in concrete, whether this was the case at the point of fracture I don't know. Under the new bridge the soil and debris between the concrete piles was being picked away presumably to face the piles with concrete later. On the bridge a lot of service pipes have been laid, the smaller ones encased in concrete. On both bridges kerb laying had commenced. It is difficult to know how it will look when finished. The kerbing is higher than the large water pipe on the approach to the bridge but lower than the pipe on the crown of the bridge. At Hurn Road the threading of rebar for the south side retaining wall is well advanced. The difference in height between the existing Joint Line and the new dive under tracks will be quite noticeable at this point. Still excavating soil to join up the two parts of the cutting towards the dive under. The normal mechanical roadsweeper was missing today so it fell to manual labour trying to keep Hurn Road clean. A bit of a thankless task, but well done John. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2020 Ah, our paths sort of crossed. Apologies for any photos that duplicate Micks (sort of). I started at Lincoln Road where they were laying kerbstones. Some further utility pipes have been laid on the right hand side of the bridge, it makes one wonder if there is some sort of future proofing going on given the number. Under the bridge they were cleaning out the soil between the piles - put me in mind of a giant toothpick. Round on the section under the A15 I too saw the rebar knitting that had been done. There was a caterpillar crawling up the acoustic barrier too - most unseasonal. And they were shifting soil and compacting it for the cutting sides. It is surprising how much of Lincoln Road bridge can now be seen from the dive under side. As I was leaving the mechanical road sweeper was cleaning the road ... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 02/11/2020 at 08:39, LNERGE said: It would be quite unusual for pumping stations to be provided by railway companies? Most are run by internal drainage boards or similar. Those on the map are marked as belonging to the MR/GNR. Once I can escape from work later I’ll have a look at the GN Engine sheds book. The current railway is littered with track drainage pumps (if you get my drift). It is in the railway company's interest to keep water off their lands as much as possible. If you want to see big pumps, research the Great Spring in the Severn Tunnel. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2020 Merseyrail has a huge pumping operation on it's under river tunnel. Not helped by the water table having risen quite a lot as industry isn't using the water as much as it used to. Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: Merseyrail has a huge pumping operation on it's under river tunnel. Not helped by the water table having risen quite a lot as industry isn't using the water as much as it used to. Jamie Indeed, the Georges Dock installation is purely for track drainage. There are 4 pumps in a sump by the Severn Tunnel pumping out 24 million gallons a day in wet winter weather, but there are also 2 track drainage pumps in "the glory hole". Anyhow, Back on topic, Water trough pumping houses were among the first machinery locations to be outside a steam shed, so the department that looked after them were the Outdoor Machinery department and were therefore known as ODM. This morphed into Plant & Machinery when the Civils began to mechanise and needed somebody to look after the machines, hence P&M instead of ODM. Eventually the Civils machines got sufficiently high in numbers and complex that the Civils got their own OTM department, so the P%M lost that bit, but still looked after stations and the equipment thereon from BRUTEs to tug trucks to water bowsers, lighting, high voltage switchgear, standby diesel genrators and .................. pumping equipment, so lets get back to water management in and around Werrington. Apologies to the guys who have given us the heads up on all this activity for such a long time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Does anyone know what activity will be happening and where this weekend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 We have been outsmarted with hiding the large water pipe on the Lincoln Road bridges. A double kerb is the solution. North of the dive under the land in the wideway has been cleared. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Trains on the ECML and GNGE. A YouTube film by Trackside ECML from early November 2020: Edited November 6, 2020 by Crun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Short video update around Lincoln Road and Hurn Road. Some still photos included as I forgot to press the record button correctly on more than one occassion. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Is the GNGE line the one to watch this weekend? If so what might be on it and what will they be doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 07/10/2020 at 19:14, Donington Road said: Here is a recap of the timetable for laying those switches, so should be a bit of action to come. A quick repost of info from Mick about 4 or 5 pages back of what is going on for the next three weekends of work scheduled between now and Christmas. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Engineering trains are in position on the Spalding line, this morning. 6Y70 (66549 in charge) is on the up line and 6G31 (with 66715 in charge) on the down line. If there is more than one train in block I assume it wont show. Edited November 7, 2020 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted November 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2020 Today sees work on the second switch at Glinton Junction to provide access to the dive under. First of all they are cutting out sections of rail of the down joint. And the Kirov crane is in section as well. Whilst under the A15 the shuttering is being fitted for casting the southern wall of the underbridge. The local wildlife is making use of the acoustic wall. Mention was made of some work alongside the bridleway path, it looks as if it is for an electrical supply cabinet for lighting under the A15. And it looks as if there is going to be a good view into the dive under cutting from the path. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Saturday 7th November 2020. Photographs of work on the Great Northern Great Eastern line part of the grade separation: Edited November 7, 2020 by Crun 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Photographs of the grade separation from Cock Lane Bridge. The new track bed has made good progress. Edited November 7, 2020 by Crun 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Not been out today but my roving reporter sent me these photos. An uncluttered view of the progress on the Lincoln Road bridges. About to start the weekends work of laying of the final switch at Glinton Junction in the early morning mist. The rail crane having just detached from the rear of the ballast train about to make its way to Werrington Junction to collect the first of the switch panels. As Crun's photo shows, these switch panels will be laid on a nice white carpet so they don't get dirty while the trackbed is being excavated. Plenty of rails stored in the four foot of the down line at Foxcovert Road. More rails in the four foot, then the third train arriving from Doncaster with half a dozen empty spoil wagons and about twenty wagons filled with sand. Time to put his feet up! must have been a hard journey or perhaps just taking it easy while the track gang do their work. Progress at Cock Lane. A concrete slab has been cast over Werrington Brook on the southern ramp. It gives some idea of how deep the lines will be at this point compared to the ECML and Stamford Lines. North of Cock Lane the new Up Stamford trackbed has just about reached its limit at the dive under. A lot of spoil has been taken out from below the steel cross girders ready for more of the concrete trackbed to be formed. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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