Spitfire2865 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 There's a fundamental reason why internals are a no-go on Slater's MR opens as will be revealed in due course... Im not exactly understanding your reasoning, but Ill wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Sticking my neck out here, but I wonder if you could you use the Bachmann chassis under a 17" Goods body? The Coal Tank was simply a tank engine version of the 17" Goods. So the wheels and wheelbase would be correct. Whether Bachmann used the space in the side tanks to accommodate the mechanism is the question . This photo shows a 17" Goods built from a M&L kit some years ago, coupled to a LRM tender. There isn't much room in the boiler/firebox so this P4 version is powered by a Mashima 1224 driving the back axle and inclined up into the firebox, leaving the space under the boiler free. This white metal kit is no longer available AFAIK. I think it may have become part of the Alan Gibson range but isn't shown in their price list. LRM do an etched n/s kit. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 The Coal Tank was simply a tank engine version of the 17" Goods. So the wheels and wheelbase would be correct. Whether Bachmann used the space in the side tanks to accommodate the mechanism is the question . This photo shows a 17" Goods built from a M&L kit some years ago, coupled to a LRM tender. There isn't much room in the boiler/firebox so this P4 version is powered by a Mashima 1224 driving the back axle and inclined up into the firebox, leaving the space under the boiler free. This white metal kit is no longer available AFAIK. I think it may have become part of the Alan Gibson range but isn't shown in their price list. LRM do an etched n/s kit. 17 Inch Goods on London Road.jpg Thanks. Great work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I’m still planning further Huntley & Palmer wagons from the other batches. I have a plan for the dumb-buffered 1873 batch, using another Cambrian kit C74 and modified Gloucester underframe. From wagonman’s information, I had assumed that the 1903 batch of ten steel-framed wagons from the Birmingham Wagon Co were literally ‘same again’ – i.e. four planks, raised ends, but this photo from the Huntley & Palmers collection clearly shows a couple of 6-plank steel-framed wagons, the nearer one having an oval plate on the right-hand end of the second plank – the arrangement of the lettering is clear too, but alas the number is out of sight at the left-hand end. So now I need to track down at least two of the former Slaters kit 4035 for the Gloucester 6-plank side-door only wagon – one for a wagon from the 1907 Gloucester batch and another as the basis for conversion to one of these 1903 Birmingham wagons. The only ones I’ve seen on ebay were pre-printed kits (distressing to repaint!) which went for more than I was prepared to pay. The 6 plank wagons look as if they were built to the 1907 RCH specs so would presumably come after the Gloucester order and have carried numbers above 25. The records I had access to didn't go that late! Glad to have been of help – some very nice models coming off your workbench! Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Im not exactly understanding your reasoning, but Ill wait and see. I've noticed on some of my Slaters 4mm wagons that the circular moulding marks can be quite obvious on the inside surfaces of the sides. A coke wagon seemed particularly bad, but of the two D299s I've made they are apparent, but not too severe on one ('dirty' weathering subdued them somewhat) and not very obvious on the other - it may be a bit of a lucky dip depending on the batch they come from. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted April 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2017 I've noticed on some of my Slaters 4mm wagons that the circular moulding marks can be quite obvious on the inside surfaces of the sides. A coke wagon seemed particularly bad, but of the two D299s I've made they are apparent, but not too severe on one ('dirty' weathering subdued them somewhat) and not very obvious on the other - it may be a bit of a lucky dip depending on the batch they come from. Model them loaded... Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 19, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2017 Model them loaded... Andy Quite. The problem has to do with the wrong relationship between the floor, headstocks and solebars - essentially the solebars are too deep. The way I deal with this results in the wagon being too shallow on the inside. I'm preparing a photo-tutorial on how I build a D299 wagon... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted April 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2017 Quite. The problem has to do with the wrong relationship between the floor, headstocks and solebars - essentially the solebars are too deep. The way I deal with this results in the wagon being too shallow on the inside. I'm preparing a photo-tutorial on how I build a D299 wagon... I'm very interested and will watch with interest. I've made many slaters wagons over the years and have many more in the kits box to make. Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Quite. The problem has to do with the wrong relationship between the floor, headstocks and solebars - essentially the solebars are too deep. The way I deal with this results in the wagon being too shallow on the inside. I'm preparing a photo-tutorial on how I build a D299 wagon... Id like to see that because Im thoroughly confused. I have a Slaters D299 sitting next to me with midified interior, as well as a copy of a works drawing for the diagram hanging on my wall, and its really accurate to the prototype in relation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Id like to see that because Im thoroughly confused. I have a Slaters D299 sitting next to me with midified interior, as well as a copy of a works drawing for the diagram hanging on my wall, and its really accurate to the prototype in relation. Sorry, it's really annoying when people point out obvious typos, but, presumably, a "midified" interior is one full of sh1te! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 20, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2017 Sorry, it's really annoying when people point out obvious typos, but, presumably, a "midified" interior is one full of sh1te! That'll be the one I'm converting to a D344 manure wagon... Thanks to Tricky's pioneering work in this field, we can look forward to a protypical load. Scale odour is an area for further development... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 That'll be the one I'm converting to a D344 manure wagon... Thanks to Tricky's pioneering work in this field, we can look forward to a protypical load. Scale odour is an area for further development... I cant comprehend the decision to remove doors on the D334. Shoveling coal over a 3' wall is bad enough. Sh1t is a different beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 How can you tell the difference between a D299 and a D334? A D299 was often covered with sheet while a D334 was covered with... Hat, coat, etc. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I cant comprehend the decision to remove doors on the D334. Shoveling coal over a 3' wall is bad enough. Sh1t is a different beast. Surely the absence of doors would allow the wagon to be fairly well sealed. You wouldn't want this precious load leaking out along the tracks. And who would volunteer to open the door, to be confronted by a wall of slurry? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 21, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2017 Surely the absence of doors would allow the wagon to be fairly well sealed. You wouldn't want this precious load leaking out along the tracks. And who would volunteer to open the door, to be confronted by a wall of slurry? We've been here before - as recently as January - over on Castle Aching, where they're currently discussing the difference between a Norse and a Viking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Surely the absence of doors would allow the wagon to be fairly well sealed. You wouldn't want this precious load leaking out along the tracks. And who would volunteer to open the door, to be confronted by a wall of slurry? Stable manure is usually pretty dry; I've just put a load on the veg beds. What did the railways do with the thousands of tons of the stuff they produced every year? Were there rail-served allotments somewhere, or did it go to the Rhubarb Triangle to be mixed with shoddy? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 21, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2017 Stable manure is usually pretty dry; I've just put a load on the veg beds. What did the railways do with the thousands of tons of the stuff they produced every year? Were there rail-served allotments somewhere, or did it go to the Rhubarb Triangle to be mixed with shoddy? See my previous post for a link to the thread where this was discussed recently. In summary, some railways had contracts with some urban authorities for removal of horse manure and / or night soil with disposal being for agricultural use. Photographic evidence was presented for the Caledonian's contract with the Glasgow Police - that body being responsible for keeping the streets clear of more than one type of offence... In the case of the Midland D344 wagon, the four batches of 20 - 30 wagons each may indicate four separate contracts. The official photo of a wagon from one of these batches shows it with a cast plate "Return to Nottingham", which suggests a contract with that city. In Midland Wagons, Bob Essery speculated that they were for manure generated by cattle in transit but that now seems unlikely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John lewsey Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I hope that it's ok to post this as its not 4mm but the livery is quite attractive John 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John lewsey Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And a diagram 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 23, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2017 image.jpegAnd a diagram 1 You're welcome. Are these Gauge 1? I like the handles on the sliding hatch of the van - is it D32 or D33? Anyway my next one will be in the two-tone livery. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John lewsey Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Hi they are 7mm (scale Severn) Diagram 32 although I have ordered some Mousa models John Edited April 23, 2017 by John lewsey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John lewsey Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Thank you for the likes guys 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 image.jpeg I hope that it's ok to post this as its not 4mm but the livery is quite attractive John I've noticed that several early vans have a raised centre section to the roof, as shown here. Can someone please explain the purpose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 I've noticed that several early vans have a raised centre section to the roof, as shown here. Can someone please explain the purpose? It's a sliding hatch to allow cranes to lift heavy items out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 Penlan found a good shot here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/48792-tight-curves-in-a-ly-goods-yard/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now