RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2017 It might be the German's win at all cost attitude that gets up people's noses. Including a disagreeable arrogance and a penchant for shifting responsibility onto others for every misfortune, even those which are self inflicted. Even while driving a car seemingly immune from penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) It appears that certain teams would have trouble running a bath. We watched the race live in our hotel room in the Harz mountains. Leaning out of the window I can see smoke rising from the 2-10-2 loco about to set off for the Brocken. We are hoping to sample another line today. It is, of course, raining. Don't worry the weather will be different at the top - probably thick fog But it's a great ride. Edited October 8, 2017 by The Stationmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Spark plug problem is the official report. Not that I don't believe the official report in this case, but your comment does remind me of the days when Alfa Romeo were running their own cars in F1 (1970s and 1980s) and their engines had an unconquerable tendency to blow up. At one race Andrea de Cesaris (or "de Crasheris" as he was sometimes known - or simply "the mobile chicane" to James Hunt) retired and the official reason given was an oil leak. Autosport reported one pit lane wag as remarking: "Yes, you can see it leaking - out of that big hole in the engine block." Edited October 10, 2017 by ejstubbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Including a disagreeable arrogance and a penchant for shifting responsibility onto others for every misfortune, even those which are self inflicted. Even while driving a car seemingly immune from penalty.That sounds very much like a certain Mercedes driver to me. I think all the best drivers are pretty much the same, it's part of the competitive streak that it takes to get to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 That sounds very much like a certain Mercedes driver to me. I think all the best drivers are pretty much the same, it's part of the competitive streak that it takes to get to the top. There is being competitive then there is OTT. Vettel is the latter. He has a habit of blaming whoever he crashes into. Ferrari blamed Verstappen in SIngapore. Brundle's description of 'being caught in a Ferrari sandwich' was spot on. He blamed Stroll after Sepang. Footage from both cars proved Vettel was 100% to blame. He consistently ignored team orders at Red Bull. 'Multi 21' being the best remembered incident. Has anyone remembered the bad luck Hamilton had at the beginning of the season? Admittedly no DNFs but he did have a couple of grid penalties. Another point: are Ferrari's latest reliability issues the result of pushing components & development too hard? If Suzuka's issue really was a spark plug then that is plain bad luck, but Sepang's issues for both were apparently a carbon fibre component in the turbo. This sounds to me like they were pushing too hard for performance. It is always a gamble. Push too hard & suffer failures or don't push hard enough & you're simply not quick enough. If this was the case then it is not bad luck, it is simply the nature of motorsport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Though no results are posted on here, I take it the hated German driver was beaten by the much loved but boringly predictable German cars. No wonder us Brits are divided over Brexit ! dh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) By German cars, I assume you mean the ones built in Brackley, Northamptonshire? & the 'Austrian' cars in 2nd & 3rd are built in Milton Keynes. I think that may be in England too. Edited October 8, 2017 by Pete the Elaner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) By German cars, I assume you mean the ones built in Brackley, Northamptonshire? & the 'Austrian' cars in 2nd & 3rd are built in Milton Keynes. I think that may be in England too. Thanks for being more precise about the result, though Benzes are Benzes the World over (except in Brackley, Little England) Edited October 8, 2017 by runs as required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I was interested to note the quietly impressive progress that Haas have made considering what a young team they are. steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 A great day to be British, and to see Mo there was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Who's a naughty Boy A G A I N? http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/20953008/sebastian-vettel-edges-closer-grid-penalty-missing-national-anthem-japan Edited October 8, 2017 by Andrew P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 It appears that certain teams would have trouble running a bath. We watched the race live in our hotel room in the Harz mountains. Leaning out of the window I can see smoke rising from the 2-10-2 loco about to set off for the Brocken. We are hoping to sample another line today. It is, of course, raining. Ian, you are LJK Setright and I claim my five pounds first prize... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Ian, you are LJK Setright and I claim my five pounds first prize... Gosh. LJK Setright. There's a blast from the past. Edited October 8, 2017 by 4630 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2017 Nice to see the @rse'ole in the red car not score a point today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Gosh. LJK Setright. There's a blast from the past. I met him once at the Opel Record D press launch. He was the only journalist who showed any real understanding of car design, unlike the tw*t from Country Life who was only interested in how many G&T's he could consume at the free bar.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) I’m going to quit reading and posting on this topic now, it’s descended into a string of tirades against Vettel which border upon the feral. Edited October 8, 2017 by Edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 It appears that certain teams would have trouble running a bath. We watched the race live in our hotel room in the Harz mountains. Leaning out of the window I can see smoke rising from the 2-10-2 loco about to set off for the Brocken. We are hoping to sample another line today. It is, of course, raining. Most excellent steam weather then? The 2-10-2 (or more strictly there a 151) would have probably beaten Vettel off the grid today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Not that I don't believe the official report in this case, but your comment does remind me of the days when Alfa Romeo were running their own cars in F1 (1970s and 1980s) and their engines had an unconquerable tendency to blow up. At one race Andrea de Cesaris (or "de Crasheris" as he was sometimes known - or simply "the mobile chicane" to James Hunt) retired and the official reason given was an oil leak. Autosport reported one pit lane wag as remarking: "Yes, you can see it leaking - out of that big hole in the engine block." There was a similar period when the 'Red Team' were suffering 'electrical issues' in a number of races. In one race though, a car retired with big clouds of smoke billowing from the engine compartment. One reporter asked a Ferrari representative if this was an 'electrical issue'. "Yes," replied the rep without a hint of sarcasm. "The crankshaft broke and knocked the distributor cap off..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) So now Lewis can afford to finish behind both Ferraris and both Red Bulls at all the remaining races and still win the Championship.... Edit - it's been pointed out to me that this is incorrect as this Vettel could potentially score 60 more points than Lewis in this situation and win by one point! Edited October 9, 2017 by RJS1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Another point: are Ferrari's latest reliability issues the result of pushing components & development too hard? If Suzuka's issue really was a spark plug then that is plain bad luck, but Sepang's issues for both were apparently a carbon fibre component in the turbo. This sounds to me like they were pushing too hard for performance. It is always a gamble. Push too hard & suffer failures or don't push hard enough & you're simply not quick enough. If this was the case then it is not bad luck, it is simply the nature of motorsport. My own reading of it is that Ferrari have been dead set on fitting used spares in order to avoid taking grid penalties for fitting new ones. This hasn't always gone well, and has affected results for both their drivers. Given the way Vettel seems able to carve through the field from the back of the grid when he has a car that doesn't die under him, someone may be getting their sums wrong. A couple of seconds in place of DNFs would have kept the gap at a (just) manageable size but, even if Ferrari change tack now, it's really too late to recover their fortunes unless Hamilton suffers a corresponding reversal in his. John Edited October 9, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 All I can say ' is this justice at last'for the Ferrari playground antic's ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Lewis did say after letting VB past that he wanted to win the Championship the right way, I just hope that he will now, and can hold his head up high and and say; YES, I did it the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 What will Gasley do? http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/20953211/toro-rosso-prematurely-confirmed-pierre-gasly-us-grand-prix WHOOPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 ...Given the way Vettel seems able to carve through the field from the back of the grid when he has a car that doesn't die under him, someone may be getting their sums wrong... You mean the old and simple rule of 'always field your best possible machine', and trust the driver to make the most of it. Vettel must be worried by now. He's got the seat in what is - when working properly - probably the best car this season, and the old magic ain't happening. That's because he's up against the only currently racing F1 competitor to win the F1 championship in a car that wasn't the constructor championship (i.e. best) car: something Vettel hasn't shown any sign of being capable of. And he's got two potent younger competitors; either of whom in a good three-way team fight season could end up F1 champion, in a car not quite up to the Ferrari. If Ferrari are doing the sums correctly, then they know that Hammy only has to finish from here on in to secure the championship. So it's over, and best to concentrate on development for next year already, because the competition is looking very hot indeed. I'd not bet against one of the RB drivers pulling it off in 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Having tried to change the spark plugs on a Fiat Punto, and found it needed a rather specialised tool that I didn’t possess, I have every sympathy with those unable to change the plugs on Italian cars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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