Mike Storey Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The fans would just be grateful for an engine formula that keeps all the cars running throughout every race. They/we/I couldn't give two monkeys' twizzles about environmental etc issues in F1 racing. Just let the drivers sort the pecking order, please. Will adding 3k rpm to the engine speed really help reliability? No, as I can confirm when applied to a FIAT Doblo....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I'd only be doing about 85mph in my Golf... Ticking over at that rpm! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I think I just about understand the difference between a MGUH and a MGUK. But won't the K version cause more resistance, by having to collect the kinetic energy much like a dynamo, and therefore be less efficient than the H version? My limited understanding is that the H uses "waste" energy from the heat of the engine, or turbo, which would otherwise dissipate uselessly, whereas the K has to convert the active energy of the engine/transmission rotation into stored energy for use later on, just as ERS worked. It was essentially a form of engine braking, which, when it failed (which seemed to be quite often as I recall) put unplanned stress on the brakes and caused a marked reduction in lap times for the suffering driver. Or is there a g-whizz way of doing that without abstracting forward energy in lieu of braking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The fans would just be grateful for an engine formula that keeps all the cars running throughout every race. They/we/I couldn't give two monkeys' twizzles about environmental etc issues in F1 racing. Just let the drivers sort the pecking order, please. Will adding 3k rpm to the engine speed really help reliability? Although back in the old days when the engines were built to last the 200 miles and it was always likely that one or more would let go, it did add an extra bit of tension to the race. Remember Monaco 1996, when Damon finally looked like he was going to win at the track his father had done so well at, and the normally bulletproof Renault let go half way through? Not to mention the incredible exploding Peugeot engines in the back of the McLarens in 1994........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 In fairness, most of the F1 Drivers seem to be able to converse with the Media in a very well presented manor, apart from one from Finland maybe, but that's just his way I guess. I didn't think any drivers this season had spoken in a well presented Manor.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As to engine regs - my preference would be not to have any rules regarding the engines except the maximum amount of fuel to be used. That way, rather than sticking to one particular way of building a more efficient engine, the manufacturers would be able to try different technologies, which would lead to better development of road car engines. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As to engine regs - my preference would be not to have any rules regarding the engines except the maximum amount of fuel to be used. That way, rather than sticking to one particular way of building a more efficient engine, the manufacturers would be able to try different technologies, which would lead to better development of road car engines. Bring back the W12s and H16s I say, proper engines! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 A bit of a rub in the nose for Seb I would say. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21260514/lewis-hamilton-need-my-game-beat-max-verstappen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 2, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2017 A bit of a rub in the nose for Seb I would say. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21260514/lewis-hamilton-need-my-game-beat-max-verstappen He did give a little nod to seb at the end: Going down that straight three-abreast with two of the greatest drivers I have come across was...'oh my God'. I was so excited for the race." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Bring back the W12s and H16s I say, proper engines! I can't see that happening. One of the attractions & benefits of F1 is that it pushes technology forward for road cars. Mid-engines, fuel injection, engine management, paddle-shift gearboxes etc. Did you know that Mercedes broke the 50% efficiency barrier earlier this year? This is a huge milestone for an internal combustion engine. You could not hope to get close to this without turbos & energy recovery. Better efficiency means less fuel & a faster car. V8's V10's etc may have sounded nicer but they really are a thing of the past. The last turbo era was all about power. F1 can't be seen to be not giving a monkeys about the environment so I am sure the hybrid engines are here to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I can't see that happening. One of the attractions & benefits of F1 is that it pushes technology forward for road cars. Mid-engines, fuel injection, engine management, paddle-shift gearboxes etc. Did you know that Mercedes broke the 50% efficiency barrier earlier this year? This is a huge milestone for an internal combustion engine. You could not hope to get close to this without turbos & energy recovery. Better efficiency means less fuel & a faster car. V8's V10's etc may have sounded nicer but they really are a thing of the past. The last turbo era was all about power. F1 can't be seen to be not giving a monkeys about the environment so I am sure the hybrid engines are here to stay. All that is true, but I wonder what the dropping of the MGUH, and focusing entirely on MGUK will do to that ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Russian money and a life line? http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21260963/daniil-kvyat-emerges-contender-2018-williams-f1-seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Toys and Prams come to mind. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21271182/ferrari-questions-liberty-media-plans-threatens-quit-f1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I watch a program on the late great Jim Clark last night, I never realised just how good he was, and Max reminds me of him, with his drive in Mexico. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Marchionne says he is "looking for a future which enhances Ferrari's unique position" - presumably that means the financial situation being even more skewed in Ferrari's favour than it already is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2017 Marchionne says he is "looking for a future which enhances Ferrari's unique position" - presumably that means the financial situation being even more skewed in Ferrari's favour than it already is.... But he also says that quitting F1 would look good in the accounts. All sports participation, promotion or endorsement these days costs money. Ferrari is a very different car manufacturer today from the one it was a few decades back. It may not need more seasons of being second-best in F1 to keep selling its desirable products. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Toys and Prams come to mind. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21271182/ferrari-questions-liberty-media-plans-threatens-quit-f1 Time to call their bluff. If they can't/won't compete on an even circuit (get it?) then they should clear off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 IMHO all Teams be them at the front or back of the Grid, first season or many seasons they should all get the same payout then score points for more dosh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2017 At one time even F1 included 'start-line specials' which had no hope of completing the distance (often more than the max 200 miles of today) but got a fee for just being on the grid. All forms of motor sport have moved on from those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Which newb driver in F1 did Steve Matchett say was: “Dancing on the razor’s edge of adhesion” in Mexico? Brilliant line by the way...........NBC’s coverage of F1 is still great, I’m surprised to say. Best, Pete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I'm away from here for 10 days from tomorrow morning, and with NO internet I will miss the build up on here and post race analysts of Brazil so will have to catch up on 14th. The place where we stay in Wales only has a small TV so not quite like being at home either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 ...Did you know that Mercedes broke the 50% efficiency barrier earlier this year? This is a huge milestone for an internal combustion engine. You could not hope to get close to this without turbos & energy recovery..Better efficiency means less fuel & a faster car... Remember when the coverage showed the fuel consumption in the on screen graphics a couple of seasons past? It was apparent then that the Merc power unit was doing it on less fuel than the closest competitor. And it means that next season the Merc will probably still have significantly more power then the rest of the field, because the engine output may be increased without hitting the fuel limit. More 'rather quick' qualifying laps to come then. Until the Merc hits the max, there likely won't be sufficient openings for Max... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 It would be well deserved IMHO. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21228619/four-formula-1-champion-lewis-hamilton-admits-honoured-receive-knighthood If he is considered worthy of the honour, perhaps this is something that should be awarded at the end of his F1 career when he retires from racing. If you give him one now, for winning 4 championships in 9 years, what do you do if, for example, he wins another four. Can't give him another one. Conversely, what would happen if, for example, he were to become involved in some unpleasantness later on in his career that leads to calls for the honour to be stripped? Much embarrassment all round. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. I've always thought that things like this should be awarded at the end of the persons career, for services to the sport etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If he is considered worthy of the honour, perhaps this is something that should be awarded at the end of his F1 career when he retires from racing. If you give him one now, for winning 4 championships in 9 years, what do you do if, for example, he wins another four. Can't give him another one. Conversely, what would happen if, for example, he were to become involved in some unpleasantness later on in his career that leads to calls for the honour to be stripped? Much embarrassment all round. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. I've always thought that things like this should be awarded at the end of the persons career, for services to the sport etc. Some excellent points, and yes your probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) If you give him one now, for winning 4 championships in 9 years, what do you do if, for example, he wins another four. Can't give him another one. Make him Queen. OK, a life peerage then: Lord Lewis of St Evenage. Edited November 3, 2017 by ejstubbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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