Gareth Collier Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Grid penalties are becoming a total farce. Both Ericsson and Stroll have received grid penalties for gearbox changes but after all the penalties through the field have been applied they are both moving 2 places forward on the grid from where they qualified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 listened to the second half live on radio 5 and fell asleep trying to watch Channel 4 later but don't think i missed too much? Lewis did well considering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I think it was actually quite good to watch - the highlights anyway - with seeing Hamilton and Ricciardo carving their through the field and wondering whether they could get near the front, and also the battles that Alonso was having. But there was little to see at the front, agreed, apart from the attempted undercut. Notwithstanding what might have happened had Lewis had pole, it does bode well for closer racing next season. Although the new power unit given to Lewis suggests the Mercs may have yet more in reserve than is thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) The closed season always sees some teams progress more than others & apart from the Brawn/Schumacher era & Alonso's self-destruction of McLaren which allowed Kimi to win in 07, Ferrari have been second-best to someone for the last 35 years, so I really don't see this result as an indication of what is to come. Remember Ferrari suffered a spate of engine failures 6-8 weeks ago. This was around the same component, which indicates over-stressing components in search of performance. Maybe McLaren Renault will be another challenger next year? I think Red Bull will be a step closer, but now they have agreed to part ways with Renault, maybe they will not get the best components. Hamilton looked happier with his 4th than most of his seconds. He seemed to enjoy fighting through the field & it was interesting to hear how damning he was of himself for spinning out of qualifying on Saturday. Bottas had every right to be been disappointed. If he had won, he would have had a chance of 2nd overall with a Merc 1-2 at Abu Dhabi, which is very possible. Vettel only needs a few points now though so I can't see Ferrari pushing too hard for performance for the last race. Ferrari still seem to be a team geared around 1 driver: Vettel is consistently faster than Raikonnen. He probably is but I think the difference it exaggerated by the team. A significant exception to this was at Monaco when Raikonnen started from pole & had the win taken away by a poor pit stop strategy. Read what you want into that but most 'in the know' will tell you that the driver makes more of a difference in Monaco. Edited November 13, 2017 by Pete the Elaner 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 13, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2017 Notwithstanding what might have happened had Lewis had pole, it does bode well for closer racing next season. Although the new power unit given to Lewis suggests the Mercs may have yet more in reserve than is thought. I think was just a case of, he's already at the back, lets swap in a new engine and take the penalty. A new engine will always make more power than one that''s got a few races under it's belt and you have less to worry about reliability due to wear and tear, he was thus able to turn it up to help him fight his way up the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 ... only driving skill, bar some extra luck, will see Lewis get near the front. The timings look so close that raw power is not going to be enough. Well read! He's still the best driver in the current field (if there was ever any doubt of it) finishing within sight of the winner from a pit lane start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Pretty obvious really I suppose. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42012243 http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21435557/hartley-gasly-stay-toro-rosso-2018 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I bet if you'd asked Hartley what he would be doing next year a few weeks ago a full time F1 seat wouldn't have been high on his list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Has just finished reading this, and would recommend to anyone interested in the man and the story behind his team. It really reveals a lot about the team and how it very nearly never happened. No connection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 FA 2019? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42040840 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Well read! He's still the best driver in the current field (if there was ever any doubt of it) finishing within sight of the winner from a pit lane start. A new engine turned up to full power in a championship winning car on a track where you can overtake helps... Watching him coming through the field was playing a F1 video game on the easiest difficulty. Edited November 19, 2017 by OnTheBranchline 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 A new engine turned up to full power in a championship winning car on a track where you can overtake helps... Watching him coming through the field was playing a F1 video game on the easiest difficulty. Indeed, he didnt do much overtaking last time out after the coming together with Vettel who did quite a lot of overtaking I seem to remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Radford Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Indeed, he didnt do much overtaking last time out after the coming together with Vettel who did quite a lot of overtaking I seem to remember. He started off close to a minute behind so had to catch up first. By then they were pretty well spread out. This race he was much, much closer to start with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 If it's as easy as playing a video game then why aren't some of you doing it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 19, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2017 He started off close to a minute behind so had to catch up first. By then they were pretty well spread out. This race he was much, much closer to start with. Also remember that whilst he struggled at first, after asking if anyone else was managing to overtake and was told "Yes, Vettel", he got into the zone and soon started making passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2017 If it's as easy as playing a video game then why aren't some of you doing it... Let's phrase it this way; if Vettel did what Hamilton, people would be saying It was because Vettel's car is so good. But when Hamilton does it, it's great driving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Both could do what they did with both cars and the same would be said, whilst some may not like Vettel, they will still give credit where it's due. We don't know how the two cars handled after the incident in the previous race so it's impossible to judge the way many people are doing. Yes, Hamilton's car had a new engine in that last race and may well perform better (though that's very debatable, at the level they are a fall off in power would be unacceptable) but the simple fact is we are guessing... Comparing it to a video game is just plain wrong, though. Edited November 19, 2017 by Hobby 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Let's phrase it this way; if Vettel did what Hamilton, people would be saying It was because Vettel's car is so good. But when Hamilton does it, it's great driving. Vettel's car is good, it was good enough to stay in front of a Mercedes for race distance. Vettel is a good driver too, he likewise recently demonstrated overhauling most of the field from a back row start. But somehow Hammy made up all the time from the pit lane start, and got within sight on track of Vettel, the race winner. Power advantage Hammy may have had, we can only guess at. The Merc powerplant is know to be the best thing available this season, and that gave some hint of the margin they have in hand. He still had to drive it all the way. Comparison as above to 'easy level' on a video game is so lacking in insight regarding the workload of an F1 driver in that physically draining environment, to tell me all I need to know of such an opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Vettel's car is good, it was good enough to stay in front of a Mercedes for race distance. Vettel is a good driver too, he likewise recently demonstrated overhauling most of the field from a back row start. But somehow Hammy made up all the time from the pit lane start, and got within sight on track of Vettel, the race winner. Power advantage Hammy may have had, we can only guess at. The Merc powerplant is know to be the best thing available this season, and that gave some hint of the margin they have in hand. He still had to drive it all the way. Comparison as above to 'easy level' on a video game is so lacking in insight regarding the workload of an F1 driver in that physically draining environment, to tell me all I need to know of such an opinion. And also remember, Bottas had the same Car and Power unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Al51 Posted November 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2017 Don't forget that the safety car was brought out on the first lap, and by the time it came in again, three cars were out of the race and another three cars had pitted. This put Hamilton into 14th place. Al Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Can I just ask for a slight interval between the Hamilton haters and supporters debate and ask - Is Channel 4 still showing F1 in the same way next year as this year? I am easily confused, and the various observations that some will not watch F1 next year because it will have to be paid for, has confused me. I have also observed that a condition of Sky's monopoly, whether it be from next year or from 2019, includes a proviso that the British Grand prix live will be shown free (quite how if you are not a Sky subscriber is, as yet, to be revealed), and that highlights of all other races must still be shown free-to-air, but quite who delivers that is yet to be announced? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two_sugars Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Sky have a free to air channel on Freeview Ch 11. . .They could show highlights on there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Send them to Macau .That sorts out the men from the boys .At least it did in this years F3 and GT race.i always thought motorbikes on that circuit was unwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 They might make the British GP freely available on a streaming platform. There's lots of sport available that way now. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 They might make the British GP freely available on a streaming platform. There's lots of sport available that way now. I've got a feeling a Liberty are ultimately moving towards this. There is now full highlights of every session on the official F1 Youtube channel. Huge numbers of people watching short session highlights has got to be good for the sport, they only see the best bits and think F1 is exciting all the time and more exposure for sponsors. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB_qr75-ydFVKSF9Dmo6izg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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