RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 The points at both ends have been left in for some reason? Need a crane to move them and one's not available yet ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Need a crane to move them and one's not available yet ? Too busy at Mostyn maybe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Knowing that turnouts are expensive items, perhaps they are both earmarked for somewhere else and, as Beast says, will require lifting out rather than cutting up on site. Just a guess. I like your new avatar Merf... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Abergele will look so different once the job is completed.... 12.05.2005 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 I would assume that during the earlier engineering possession, the old platform line was needed to allow the main to be relaid. That was, I presume, then removed without needing a full line possession, where as the points will need a full engineering possession - probably easier to just lock and clamp them out of use until such time as a possession is taken at an adjacent location. That way it avoids closing the railway un-necessarily. Just a guess! Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 I would assume that during the earlier engineering possession, the old platform line was needed to allow the main to be relaid. That was, I presume, then removed without needing a full line possession, where as the points will need a full engineering possession - probably easier to just lock and clamp them out of use until such time as a possession is taken at an adjacent location. That way it avoids closing the railway un-necessarily. Just a guess! Rich Full possesions have happened several times since the loop was taken OOU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Lengths of cabling or pipes were being laid in the gap between the old and new platforms today .... signalling? 175102 speeding through on the down at 13.13hrs today, 1st February ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Lengths of cabling or pipes were being laid in the gap between the old and new platforms today .... signalling? WEB Abergele 11.jpg 175102 speeding through on the down at 13.13hrs today, 1st February ... WEB Abergele 12.jpg Drainage maybe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2017 I don't understand why they didn't just slew the down fast across to the existing platform unless there is some issue with disability access on the old platform edge, sorry the "passenger/train interface"! Regards mostyn I had a nose round the skips over the weekend while I was waiting to leave the possession there to see if there was anything worthwhile in there, nothing sadly Other than a signal ladder with top hoop from one of the semaphores, a bit too big for me to ask if I could have though!! Drainage maybe ? Maybe it's going to be like offas dyke and they aren't going to fill it at all so when the English get off the train they can't actually get into wales Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Maybe it's going to be like offas dyke and they aren't going to fill it at all so when the English get off the train they can't actually get into wales Too late...... hehe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Too late...... hehe... I'll second that !!!! Larry and I know how feels to be an immigrate in a strange land .........Get all the benefits FIRST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 I'll second that !!!! Larry and I know how feels to be an immigrate in a strange land .........Get all the benefits FIRST Our family knew folk in North Wales for years, hence our move here in mid 60's. When I traveled back the first weekend after working here for a week, it was the first time I smelled Oldham's smoke polluted air! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Our family knew folk in North Wales for years, hence our move here in mid 60's. When I traveled back the first weekend after working here for a week, it was the first time I smelled Oldham's smoke polluted air! Don't remind me!! ( Once A Mancunian, well I suppose I still am!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Our family knew folk in North Wales for years, hence our move here in mid 60's. When I tled back the first weekend after working here for a week, it was the first time I smelled Oldham's smoke polluted air! Its always a shock to the system going back to civilisation ....it's the sheer amount of noise that I can't get to terms with when I go back to the Runcorn area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 The more advanced this rebuilding, the more guesswork..... A channel is being dug in the original platform... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissRailPassion Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 What's the betting the new platform won't be long enough when new trains arrive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2017 What's the betting the new platform won't be long enough when new trains arrive? It doesn't need to be - pretty much all new trains now come with Selective Door Operation and unless the station is a busy one, the application of SDO is a very cost effective solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2017 I don't understand why they didn't just slew the down fast across to the existing platform unless there is some issue with disability access on the old platform edge, sorry the "passenger/train interface"! Presumably because that slew would require large transition curves to maintain the same linespeed as the through line currently has. Extending the platform outwards is a technique used at several Chiltern line stations including Bicester North, Princess Risborough and Gerrards Cross to give a few examples. Obviously the other benefit is simply plain lining a set of points is a lot quicker than moving track onto a new alignment so possessions can be much shorter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 What's the betting the new platform won't be long enough when new trains arrive? The new platform face is a bit shorter than the old one, which was about 10 coach lengths. Trains stopping at Abergele are normally 3 car units. See coachman's photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Talking of curves reminded me of one summer Saturday in 1989 when I was filming events at Abergele. Trains were coming through thick and fast and often out of sequence. I was told the signalmen at Rhyl weren't very helpful to the Abergele signalmen and so if a train was approaching from Rhyl with the horn blowing, it meant the signals were set incorrectly for that particular train. Whether the Abergele signalman was fed up or not by this stage, he left the signals and points set for the platform loop. The driver of the non-stop Leeds-Llandudno must have been equally p*ssed off when he realised the road was not being re-set for him and so accelerated through the points at quite a good clip, the coaches swaying from side to side as they snaked into the platform road. The train shot past my position and out through the points at the other end of the loop, which probably tipped the guard out of his seat in the back coach! One morning in the mid 1960's I saw a Class 40 buried up to its nose in the ballast beyond the Down platform. I presume the train had come down the slow line from Rhyl but the slow line had been removed beyond Abergele and the points were set for the non-existent track! Abergele & Pensarn Station has seen its fair share of misdemeanors over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D854_Tiger Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Presumably because that slew would require large transition curves to maintain the same linespeed as the through line currently has. Extending the platform outwards is a technique used at several Chiltern line stations including Bicester North, Princess Risborough and Gerrards Cross to give a few examples. Obviously the other benefit is simply plain lining a set of points is a lot quicker than moving track onto a new alignment so possessions can be much shorter. Extending the platforms out, making them wider, is also a nice to have safety consideration these days with the much quieter and faster trains that are around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The "cables" are actually plastic ducts between drawpits. The whole lot will be buried leaving only the manholes in the platform surface, which can be used to pull cables through as required. I don't know what the other channel is but could be for lighting (the original lights on the back of the platform probably won't light the wider platform adequately) or perhaps drainage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 I popped down to the station today for a looksee. I don't know if this is part of the signaling.... 85mph line speed. Semaphores intact but signalbox was switched out during today.... New view beside the signal box... Spot the missing landmark.................................................. Ooh look, no footbridge.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2017 I popped down to the station today for a looksee. I don't know if this is part of the signaling.... WEB Abergele 15.jpg Yes it is part of the signalling system - it is there to let Guards (or station staff at locations that have them) the state of the signal ahead. They need to know because it is against the rules to dispatch a train with the signal ahead at danger, in case the driver sets off by mistake. The severe consequences of this were dramatically demonstrated in 1989 when a guard gave the right away to the driver at Belgrove (Glasgow) 1989 who then set off past the red signal and smashed head on into another train passing over the adjacent junction. Of course these days we have TPWS, but the rule is still there and any attempt to dispatch against a red signal is treated with the upmost seriousness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Where is the signal control now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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