RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm trying to think of any industrial diesels that worked in East Anglia in the 1960s I'd love to add a sentinel or a Janus to my collection but can't think of anywhere that ran diesels in the 60s Most of the docks had BR loco's on them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2017 How about some of the beet works? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Ahh there may have been some at wissington. Trouble is I don't think you can get a model of beet works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Russ I suggest that you invest a visit to the Industrial Railway Society shop http://www.irsshop.co.uk/elindex and purchase the download of 1- 17 EL (existing Locomotives) series of books and it will tell you by location! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Cantley sugar beat factory between Norwich and Reedham had some diesels which looked like the sentinel type center cab ones. Sorry I'm not very up on diesels but I remember seeing them in the 1980 from a passing train on the way to Norwich. They were parked up I recall and could already have been out of use then and there long gone now but I'm sure were painted yellow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I photographed this little 48DS in Ipswich Lower Yard in the early 80s. From its location I think it may have worked at the electricity generating plant next to the trolleybus depot but may have been from somewhere in the docks. Edited June 19, 2023 by giz Photo re-attached 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Were there industrial locos at Barrington/Foxton in the 1960s, or is that too far away to count? cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I have a copy of IRS book 1EL somewhere round the place ......... give me a few hours and I should be able to help. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Were there industrial locos at Barrington/Foxton in the 1960s, or is that too far away to count? cheers Not sure when that place opened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Well ....... I can't find 1EL anywhere, but have found 2EL, dated 1970, which has: Norfolk ...... Anglian Building Products, Lenwade (HE); Bouton Paul, Norwich (RH; Bg); BIS, Middleton Towers (2 x MR; FH); BSC, Cantley (2 x RH); BSC, South Lynn (JF); BSC, Wissington (JF, but I think the steamers were still in use in 1970 too); West Norfolk Ferdtilisers, South Lynn (JF). Suffolk ....... British Sugar at Bury St Edmunds (2 x RH); Eastern Counties Farmers, Ipswich (RH); Felixstowe Dock (ex BR D3489); Ipswich Metals, Clayton (R&R); Ransomes & Rapier (JF); Ramsomes, Sims & Jeffries (RH). Cambridgeshire ....... APCM, Cherry Hinton (5 x MR); BSC Ely (2 x RH); Fisons, Burnell (FH); London Brick, Whittlesey (MR); Rugby PC, Barrington (FH; TH). Huntingdonshire ......... hotpoint, Fletton (MR); BSC, Woodston (RH); Min of Ag, Eye Green (FH). LIncolnshire ..... APCM, Kiton Lindsay (RH); Aveling Barford, Grantham (RH); British Steel, Frodingham (47 x YE; 3 x RR); British Steel, Firth Brown, Scunthorpe (HE); British Steel, Lysaghts, Scunthorpe (9 x HC; 13 x S; 3 x NB; RR); Colsterworth Ironstone Mines (3 x YEC); Frodingham Ironstone Mines (3 x YE); BSC, Bardney (RH); BSC, Brigg (RH); BSC, Spalding (RH); British Titan Products, Grimsby (5 x RH); CEGB, Keadby (2 x HC); CEGB, Lincoln (2 x RH); ......... and a few more to follow. These are SG diesels only ... there were a few steamers and BEs, plus NG locos, at various places, too. You mention Janus, which are, of course, primarily iron/steel locos, and while it would be quite an undertaking to build a steelworks, the interchange with an ironstone mine line would be very simple to include on a layout ....... most ironstone mines were nothing more than a shallow face and some big diggers, served by an ever-moved length of railway track! Middleton Towers was very good ...... I can't remember the SG apart of it, because the 2ft gauge was so exciting ....... big MR 60hp locos pulling very heavy trains. At least one of the locos from there is a Leighton Buzzard now. Anyway, hope that helps, Kevin Edited February 9, 2017 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Thanks Kevin, it seems to be the sugar beet works that have most of them. Shame there is nothing in docks , grain terminals or oil terminals I might find an excuse for a sentinel somewhere Edited February 9, 2017 by russ p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) The sentinels, as per Hornby model, were quite new then, and being big locos, they were more associated with very heavy work ..... steelworks (did you notice thirteen of them at Scunthorpe), oil terminals, cement works. Much later, early 1980s, I got to have a drive of one, during a visit to a cement works. K Edited February 9, 2017 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Was it about 62 a whole load of them were delivered to skiningrove with two or three of them actually powering the move My model is 66-68 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well ....... I can't find 1EL anywhere, but have found 2EL, dated 1970, which has: Norfolk ...... Anglian Building Products, Lenwade (HE); Bouton Paul, Norwich (RH; Bg); BIS, Middleton Towers (2 x MR; FH); BSC, Cantley (2 x RH); BSC, South Lynn (JF); BSC, Wissington (JF, but I think the steamers were still in use in 1970 too); West Norfolk Ferdtilisers, South Lynn (JF). Suffolk ....... British Sugar at Bury St Edmunds (2 x RH); Eastern Counties Farmers, Ipswich (RH); Felixstowe Dock (ex BR D3489); Ipswich Metals, Clayton (R&R); Ransomes & Rapier (JF); Ramsomes, Sims & Jeffries (RH). Cambridgeshire ....... APCM, Cherry Hinton (5 x MR); BSC Ely (2 x RH); Fisons, Burnell (FH); London Brick, Whittlesey (MR); Rugby PC, Barrington (FH; TH). Huntingdonshire ......... hotpoint, Fletton (MR); BSC, Woodston (RH); Min of Ag, Eye Green (FH). LIncolnshire ..... APCM, Kiton Lindsay (RH); Aveling Barford, Grantham (RH); British Steel, Frodingham (47 x YE; 3 x RR); British Steel, Firth Brown, Scunthorpe (HE); British Steel, Lysaghts, Scunthorpe (9 x HC; 13 x S; 3 x NB; RR); Colsterworth Ironstone Mines (3 x YEC); Frodingham Ironstone Mines (3 x YE); BSC, Bardney (RH); BSC, Brigg (RH); BSC, Spalding (RH); British Titan Products, Grimsby (5 x RH); CEGB, Keadby (2 x HC); CEGB, Lincoln (2 x RH); ......... and a few more to follow. These are SG diesels only ... there were a few steamers and BEs, plus NG locos, at various places, too. You mention Janus, which are, of course, primarily iron/steel locos, and while it would be quite an undertaking to build a steelworks, the interchange with an ironstone mine line would be very simple to include on a layout ....... most ironstone mines were nothing more than a shallow face and some big diggers, served by an ever-moved length of railway track! Middleton Towers was very good ...... I can't remember the SG apart of it, because the 2ft gauge was so exciting ....... big MR 60hp locos pulling very heavy trains. At least one of the locos from there is a Leighton Buzzard now. Anyway, hope that helps, Kevin In diesel days, there were very few shallow Ironstone quarries and the diggers tended to be pretty big. Most of the latter day Corby quarries were 60 - 100' deep and up to 300' wide, much the same in S.Lincs. The last ore mined in Britain though was from the last quarry face opened up and was only around 20' deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 At least some of the Normanby Park Sentinels were a good bit larger than the Hornby model. At the time the larger steelworks had need for locomotives in a range of sizes and weights. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Cheers Arthur, was the 0-8-0 a prototype or production model. I've seen the YEC prototype 0-8-0 but not the sentinel before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 As far as I'm aware Russ only one or two were built and Lysaghts at Normanby Park had just the one. So you couldn't really call it a production model. There certainly aren't many photos of them. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 How about Snailwell? There were a couple of loco's when I went in 2001 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 How about Snailwell? There were a couple of loco's when I went in 2001 There's still a couple now Ernie one is NBL but I don't think it was like that in 66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Russ Beware the little Hornby Sentinel is quite addictive and you may end up with more than you planned! Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I was at Ford Bridgend the other day and the shunt loco was an 0-4-0 sentinel, chain drive, no rods... It looked familiar, wondered if it's one I came across in my TA days... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Cheers Arthur, was the 0-8-0 a prototype or production model. I've seen the YEC prototype 0-8-0 but not the sentinel before The army had one which was based at Longmoor. It is currently on the Avon Valley Railway awaiting a major overhaul on the two Rolls Royce diesels. On the army one the wheels were very close together. It was a sod to adjust the brakes but very easy to drive. Mike Edge has had the information to do a kit on his list for a few years. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The IRS Handbook for East Anglia might be better than working through the various "Existing Locomotives" series. There was only one location to have the Sentinel/RR diesels, namely Barrington Cement, Cambridgeshire. This concern was part of the Rugby Portland Cement Group and acquired two of them from their Halling (Kent) site in April 1983 - too late for the period in question. (See also Industrial Railway Record 109 for an article on Barrington). The only "Janus" in East Anglia was one on a short loan to Mayer Parry Recycling (scrapyard), Snailwell, spending only six weeks at the site before returning to South Yorkshire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The sugar beet works tended to use Ruston 165DS shunters, mostly 0-4-0s but a few of the 0-6-0 variety. There's a bit more information in this IRS article, although it's mostly about their steam locos (including 'Thomas' now on the NVR). http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/48/BSC.htm And there's an interesting snippet here on the Lincolnshire County Council website (Lincolnshire isn't really East Anglia though, it's part of the East Midlands). http://community.lincolnshire.gov.uk/thehistoryofbardneysugarfactory/section.asp?docId=73901 A new Ruston DS165 Diesel Locomotive was purchased for the sum of £8,213-13-01d. It was delivered by Pickfords on 15th October. In case anyone wondered how much a 165DS cost in the 1950s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 What about Ransomes of Ipswich? I would expect they might have something or Garrett of Leiston. I know that the Rom factory in Witham had KS4421 for a while and before that a planet locomotive. Engineering works might be modellable with available kits of gantry cranes and factory buildings and such like. Picture of KS4421 at Lichfield and not Witham found on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/77918006@N03/7154124803 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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