RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Entering Brierfield tunnel (length 110 yards) on its way to Nelson. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Please don't start this discussion. The simple answer as far as Network Rail's railway is concerned is "if the Sectional Appendix calls it a tunnel, it is a tunnel". All sorts of people have discussed this for years, and if somebody comes with a definition, somebody else gives an example of a tunnel that doesn't meet the criteria.A bridge covering more than two chains along the railway was regarded as a tunnel as far as rules are concerned. (About 40 metres at today's exchange rate.) Yes, there are exceptions and quirks. Wembley Central was classified as an underground station after the Kings Cross fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 A bridge covering more than two chains along the railway was regarded as a tunnel as far as rules are concerned. (About 40 metres at today's exchange rate.) Yes, there are exceptions and quirks. Wembley Central was classified as an underground station after the Kings Cross fire. Noooooooooo! Someone will disprove you, and this thread will go waaaaaaaaaaaayy off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Two for the price of one - but you have already seen the other end of the Hastings Tunnel and I feel sure Bo-Peep has had a mention somewhere on this site - anyway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Please don't start this discussion. The simple answer as far as Network Rail's railway is concerned is "if the Sectional Appendix calls it a tunnel, it is a tunnel". All sorts of people have discussed this for years, and if somebody comes with a definition, somebody else gives an example of a tunnel that doesn't meet the criteria.Firstly - mischievous humour (As evidenced by the emoticon) Secondly - it's all well and good mentioning the Sectional Appendices (sic), it would be more helpful if you had posted a link to source so that those people who are uncertain can be informed. Edited September 13, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Firstly - mischievous humour (As evidenced by the emoticon) Secondly - it's all well and good mentioning the Sectional Appendices (sic), it would be more helpful if you had posted a link to source so that those people who are uncertain can be informed. Your wish is my command. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/industry-commercial-partners/information-operating-companies/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Firstly - mischievous humour (As evidenced by the emoticon) Secondly - it's all well and good mentioning the Sectional Appendices (sic), it would be more helpful if you had posted a link to source so that those people who are uncertain can be informed. Your wish is my command. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/industry-commercial-partners/information-operating-companies/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/ Thank You! All readers of this topic now have access to a very useful source of railway data; as a direct result of a bit of mischievous humour 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 A couple of Sectional Appendix examples. Firstly a short tunnel, 57 metres long Secondly, a long bridge where the M6 runs on top of the Birmingham - Derby line at Bromford Bridge In this case the bridge is over the railway for about 240 metres but the whole structure is on stilts and the sides are open between the columns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Getting back to the subject of the day. Two for the price of one at the Proof House end of New Street South Tunnels Edit Thinking about it I nearly got three, Snow Hill Tunnel is about 20 metres out of sight behind the wall to the right of the EMU Edited September 13, 2017 by TheSignalEngineer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Which gives me a lead-in to this picture from 1987. The first 'Customers' of Centro from Moor Street to the rebuilt Snow Hill did it on foot as part of a charity walk, seen here under the Marks & Spencer store. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 37282 exits Hillhead Tunnel Newport on the down main line heading west towards Gaer Junction, 1/12/81 cheers 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) A view through Bradford Tunnel, 33065 working the 06.45 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour stands in the platform at Bradford-on-Avon, picture taken from Greenland Mill crossing, 23/8/83 47439 makes a run round move at Bangor, Bangor East Tunnel is in the background, 26/6/82 Class 105 set 56125 51271 departs Ipswich heading for Harwich, 6/7/81 cheers Edited September 13, 2017 by Rivercider 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 One of the UK's newest tunnels. The Victoria Dock portal of Crossrail's Abbey Wood branch as it emerges at Custom House station 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2017 A bridge covering more than two chains along the railway was regarded as a tunnel as far as rules are concerned. (About 40 metres at today's exchange rate.) Yes, there are exceptions and quirks. Wembley Central was classified as an underground station after the Kings Cross fire. As was Birmingham New Street Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) How does this fit with the 'tunnel' definition?! Edited September 13, 2017 by phil_sutters 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 Shugborough Tunnel, southern end 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Many years ago, I went on a railtour to the Ffestiniog Railway, and this was somewhere on the way back. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted September 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2017 I think that this was approaching Stratford from S International. I didn't realise I had one taken inside a tunnel. The DLR ones are lit. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Many years ago, I went on a railtour to the Ffestiniog Railway, and this was somewhere on the way back. S1950.JPG Is that the tunnel that transports you between the lush greenery and the lunar landscape? Quite close to Blaneau Ffestiniog? Edited September 14, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Eigerwand halt inside the Eiger mountain (there are 2 halts on the way up and the station at the summit) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Are We still on tunnels ? Something a bit longer than My last effort The 5.3 mile 1 in 33 grade Otira tunnel in New Zealand's Sth Island At one time the line and therefore the tunnel was Electrified But now It has doors that close behind the train and Extraction Fans to remove Diesel Fumes (Shocking Photo I know, but I was cold and Wet and didn't fancy hanging around for much longer) Edit - this is the Arthur's Pass End Edited September 14, 2017 by The Blue Streak 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Is that the tunnel that transports you between the lush greenery and the lunar landscape? Quite close to Blaneau Ffestiniog? No idea. It was a very long time ago! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBrit Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 As nothing has been suggested yet -- How about footbridges? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted September 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) OK - before & after its recent replacement. The bridge is wide enough for three or four mums with buggies to go across abreast - although it would be quite a slog climbing all those steps. Get to the beach side and the path goes down to a narrow mud track. Perhaps NR knows something about future developments in that corner of Newhaven. Edited September 14, 2017 by phil_sutters 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Twyford new (2009) footbridge Twyford old footbridge in 1961, with a train of that time And 50 years before the top two pictures, with a new dmu Edited September 14, 2017 by The Stationmaster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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