Woolmer Green 1935-40

[Sharky]

10 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Good. The diagram tells the story. It's worked as a crossover with the point leading from the Down Main to the Down Slow, so not a spring point after all. If you've got a spare motor I'd suggest you fit it.

 

Agreed!
Will definitely look better in photos and be closer to the actual operation of the box.

[Michael Edge]

Definitely worked but you're confusing yourself by referring to it as a "catch point" - this is a trap point and worked as John says. It shouldn't be spaced away from the other half of the crossover as you have placed it either. Catch points are usually sprung (although they can have a lever to override them) and fitted on gradients to catch runaways going backwards.

[St Enodoc]

48 minutes ago, Michael Edge said:

Catch points are usually sprung (although they can have a lever to override them) and fitted on gradients to catch runaways going backwards.

...like the one on the Down Main at the other end of the tunnel.

[Jesse Sim]

8 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Good. The diagram tells the story.

It does? 

[Jesse Sim]

1 hour ago, Michael Edge said:

Definitely worked but you're confusing yourself by referring to it as a "catch point" - this is a trap point and worked as John says. It shouldn't be spaced away from the other half of the crossover as you have placed it either. Catch points are usually sprung (although they can have a lever to override them) and fitted on gradients to catch runaways going backwards.

When I wrote catch point I thought it was something else. 
 

What do you mean by the spacing? 
 

EDIT: I know what you mean now 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Jesse Sim

[St Enodoc]

8 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said:

It does? 

Yes. Look at how the connection from the Down Main to the Down Slow is drawn. There are two points, each numbered 5, which means that they are both worked at the same time by the same lever in the signal box (lever 5, of course). The points are always drawn with the lever in the Normal position, namely pushed away from the signalman. When the lever is pulled, both points move together to the Reverse position, allowing trains to travel over the connection between the two Down lines.

 

If that doesn't make sense I'll explain it next time you are in Mid-Cornwall.

 

 

 

[Jesse Sim]

On 20/12/2021 at 20:39, St Enodoc said:

 

 

If that doesn't make sense I'll explain it next time you are in Mid-Cornwall.

 

 

 

Is this the one John? 
 

if so, I shall reply in jest also….

 

ahem *cracks knuckles*
 

Give me all the dates for 2022 and I’ll be sure to make one of them. Once a year is enough for GW rubbish 

[Jesse Sim]

Another milestone reached today on the new layout. Track laying is finished and wiring is about 95% done, just two point motors in the fiddleyard to do and wire up the down slow. 

Heres an O4 on down empties snaking it’s way onto the slow line, whilst a C2 heads a short express south. 
 

 

Heres a nice open shot from the far corner, which will be an optional operating station when visitors arrive. 
 

 

Now it’s running everything I own to make sure the layout behaves itself. Whilst that takes place it will be building the bridge that acts as the scenic break at the northern end, finishing the viaduct and mapping out the embankments. 

[LNERGE]

Here's another diagram though i'm struggling to find any differences with the earlier one.. If you want a full size Copy or similar let me know. How about a few block occupancy detetctors and have a working diagram?

[Jesse Sim]

20 minutes ago, LNERGE said:

Here's another diagram though i'm struggling to find any differences with the earlier one.. If you want a full size Copy or similar let me know. How about a few block occupancy detetctors and have a working diagram?

Thanks mate, a full size copy actually wouldn’t be a bad shout. 

[Chamby]

Hi Jesse,

 

Have you made any modifications to the Peco bullhead turnouts?  I recommend that you test each of your loco’s over them several times...  they can short out where the tolerances between the frog and the opposite polarity blade rails are very fine, also sometimes where the frog check rails extend beyond the electrical break in the running rail.  

 

Problems are more likely with RTR flangeless trailing wheels on the curved track, and too tight back-to-backs, especially with longer wheelbase loco’s.

 

There are workarounds documented on the relevant thread in the Peco section of RMweb.

[Jesse Sim]

19 minutes ago, Chamby said:

Hi Jesse,

 

Have you made any modifications to the Peco bullhead turnouts?  I recommend that you test each of your loco’s over them several times...  they can short out where the tolerances between the frog and the opposite polarity blade rails are very fine, also sometimes where the frog check rails extend beyond the electrical break in the running rail.  

 

Problems are more likely with RTR flangeless trailing wheels on the curved track, and too tight back-to-backs, especially with longer wheelbase loco’s.

 

There are workarounds documented on the relevant thread in the Peco section of RMweb.

Hi mate,

 

The only modulations is that I’ve slightly bent them into a curve, ever so slightly. I’ve also cut and shut two of them at the crossover to replicate the 45mm P/way. 
 

So far I’ve had no problems and I’ve ran trains over them a few times. Polarity isn’t an issue as I use cobalts with the frog wire connected to change polarity. 

[LNERGE]

After the catastrophic events of 1935 further south the signalling changed rapidly. I’ve been wondering when 18 became a four aspect colouright. Linespeed increases for the A4’s would have been well underway by your timeframe. In what form will you be modelling the up starting signal? 
 

I was out testing points much further north on the ECML last night at Huntingdon. Once I’m functional again I’ll get on with a copy of the diagram. 

[LNERGE]

I've got a colourlight here in 1931 that was to do with linespeed increase..

 

 

[Jesse Sim]

2 hours ago, LNERGE said:

After the catastrophic events of 1935 further south the signalling changed rapidly. I’ve been wondering when 18 became a four aspect colouright. Linespeed increases for the A4’s would have been well underway by your timeframe. In what form will you be modelling the up starting signal? 
 

I was out testing points much further north on the ECML last night at Huntingdon. Once I’m functional again I’ll get on with a copy of the diagram. 

 

1 hour ago, LNERGE said:

I've got a colourlight here in 1931 that was to do with linespeed increase..

 

 

You’d have to talk to my signalling master @LNER4479 as I haven’t the foggiest idea!! 

[LNER4479]

Double-dutch to me, especially the bottom half of the diagram.

 

Besides, I only 'do' semaphores ...

[jwealleans]

Someone's drawn a pair of boobs on that diagram.

[Barry O]

put some OHLE up and add some colour light signals would be easier,....

 

OK.... Hat, Coat, taxi!!

 

Baz

[Chamby]

2 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Someone's drawn a pair of boobs on that diagram.

 

Yes, but they’re protected by resistance!

[jwealleans]

13 minutes ago, Chamby said:

Yes, but they’re protected by resistance!

 

and there was I thinking it was underwiring.

[Jesse Sim]

Can’t take Jonathan anywhere! 

[St Enodoc]

8 hours ago, Jesse Sim said:

 

You’d have to talk to my signalling master @LNER4479 as I haven’t the foggiest idea!! 

Perhaps @5BarVT can help.

[Jesse Sim]

 

 

ahem, I’ll leave this here

 

[Jesse Sim]

Not much to show for an update at the moment as I’ve been running trains and I am pleased to announce everything is running beautifully. 
 

For once the fiddleyard is actually full!! I’m thinking I might need to add a few more kick back sidings! 
 

 

 

I really liked the way I had the old fiddleyard with the shorter Down sidings in the corner and it’s worked again here. 
 

 

Two or three of these trains will go into the other kickback sidings I have planned. 
 

Im liking the line ups I have so far. 
 

Now for some modelling. 
 

Two new ones, a Parkside Brick wagon for the empty coal train. A nice and simple kit to build until I broke the Bogie mount…. Couple Of screws and bolts and it fixed.
 

 

The other wagon I’ve finished is a bit of a bitsa and im not entirely sure the wheelbase is accurate, but don’t tell anyone. 
 

I can across this picture in the LMS wagons book. 
 

 

After a bit of researching found out it matches a Parkside LMS 6ton fish van and I happened to have one part built. Seeing as the fish van is a year out of my timeline I decided to hack it up and create this refrigerated version. I decided on using a filler mix to fill the door after I cut the fish vans sliding one off and scribe the planking in. It’s worked…kinda… Just the old classic “bit of weathering will hide that” but I’m out of Humbrol 33 and so is all of NSW……..

 

 

 

I’ve also done a bit on the viaduct, slowly but surely she’ll get done. I’ll also be adding some of the embankments to the lower section over the next coming weeks as I don’t like the bare bones look. 
 

 

Whilst this is going on it’ll be more testing and running and testing and running. 

[Jesse Sim]

G’day all,

 

Thought I would share another project that’s on the go at the moment which will explain why Woolmer Green’s progress has slowed…

 

In June this year a few mates and myself are taking on Cape York. Cape York is the most northern part of mainland Australia, it’s going to take about three days of driving to get to Cairns, another 9 hour drive along a dirt road to get to the start of the Telegraph track and about 3 days of slow moving, low range four wheel driving to get to the top. So the project is, obviously my car…

 

 

Still plenty to do, but I must apologise as this is really taking up most of my money and time as I need to live out of the car for roughly three weeks….

 

But I will be doing small bits and pieces on the layout but updates will be slow. 
 

As I said, a lot of hard driving and the rig needs to be in tip top condition.