Caledonian Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) It has also been in this guise and has an awful bunker. http://www.preserved-railways.co.uk/gallery/Chasewater%20Railway/Chasewater%20Railway%20Page%202/38884_%20-%20No%201964-1929%200-4-0ST%20Barclay%20at%20Brownhills%20West%20Station%20Chasewater%20Railway%2017-07-2011.jpg Jason Weird, was it pretending to be GWR pannier? Edited April 10, 2018 by Caledonian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) The particular style of Barclay 0-4-0ST that is the subject of the Hattons model dates back to 1921, as far as I can tell. Before that the cab sides are the first noticable thing that is different. Here's 807, Bonaccord, a 12" of 1897 [i thought I was posting a link but we seem to have the photie, so apologies to the Deeside Railway]. Ignore the side-skirts as it was bought from stock by Aberdeen Corporation Gas Works and did a lot of street running, but it provides a splendid picture of the older style of cab Edited April 10, 2018 by Caledonian 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) The other difference from what I can tell (happy to be proven wrong here) is the chassis on pre-1921 examples is more open and does not extend at full depth to the front buffer beam, whereas the post-1921 chassis is full depth front to back Pre-1921 - Cab with curved side, round windows and open chassis AB1598/1918 Note front of the chassis is cut back and does extend at full depth to the front Post - 1921 Square sided cab, round front windows and plate frame chassis full depth to front buffer beam Note plate frame chassis extends full length at the front and 'angular' cab sides, round cab front windows (I have seen some with 'homebrew' front window mods that are more angular). It appears that around at some point in the 1940's (possibly 1942?) an alternative cab was offered with angular front windows, smoother cab roof/cab side transition. It is certainly a feature of the late builds 1950 onwards EDIT - seems a little weird to introduce a new cab design during wartime unless it was some manufacturing gain perhaps? AB2143 of 1942 Those are the 'big' differences that I have noted, and they seem to be offered with standard size and large size saddle tank throughout. I have not included the 'specials' like those in Fife with a 7ft vs 6ft wheelbase etc. EDIT - Plus I am sure there are the odd balls that have deep frames for a pre-1921 for specific users e.g. steelworks. EDIT2 - I haven't included the cab backs as there seem to be user dependent - open cab, round windows, square windows, oval windows, no windows, bunkers, coal holes etc. J Edited April 12, 2018 by Down_Under 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 So, in order to backdate Coronation to 1921 condition (Obviously with new worksplates and nameplates!) would not take much work, but pre-1921 would require a fair few alterations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Afraid so. Even if you overlook some things the cab sides will need to be remodelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 On much the same subject the Aberdeen Corporation Gas Works ones were in a lined green livery per the photie until Nationalisation when they changed to sky-blue. This is referred to as being the Corporation livery, but I'm not so sure. The Corporation certainly used a green [and cream] livery for its buses but not the lining depicted here and I therefore suspect that what we are seeing here is Barclay's "off the shelf" livery - which fortuitously happened to be green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here's another photie of 807 with an interesting cut-out in the rear cab. It appears that the original cut-out for the brake standard has been deepened and perhaps opened out a bit, possibly for improved visibility when street running. Obviously the brake standard itself has gone, although I've seen another photie of No.3 which appears to show it lashed or rather slung from from the side of the cab. This modification was characteristic of all the Aberdeen locos, but I've not seen it elsewhere. Has anyone else come across this or anything similar? http://beamishtransportonline.co.uk/2016/09/more-hire-locomotives-announced-part-1/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 In that case I'll put a 1921 worksplate (I'll try and find an appropriate number) on mine when it arrives. Is there an etch or similar available for the pre-1921 cab? If not I can probably get myself one printed in FUD. It would be nice if my loco could have a place on my proposed colliery layout in its pre-grouping guise as well as its NCB guise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) Is it worth a separate thread on each of the main versions? > Pre-1921 > 1921 - 1940-ish > Post 1940-ish? > well known 'specials' J Edited April 12, 2018 by Down_Under 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Oh where oh were has my Barclay gone Oh where oh where has it been.... According to the communiqué promulgated on the 5th inst, the container was bobbing around off France and due to dock "in the next few days". Soooo... Probably dockside on Monday, then there's customs fiddling, with dogs and dodgy paperwork for other consignments in the container. Then it'll be onto a lorry possibly tomorrow, and get delayed by unseasonable snow on the M62, it being an ill-omened day...... Sorry, I'm just being unreasonably impatient! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Oh where oh were has my Barclay gone Oh where oh where has it been.... According to the communiqué promulgated on the 5th inst, the container was bobbing around off France and due to dock "in the next few days". Soooo... Probably dockside on Monday, then there's customs fiddling, with dogs and dodgy paperwork for other consignments in the container. Then it'll be onto a lorry possibly tomorrow, and get delayed by unseasonable snow on the M62, it being an ill-omened day...... Sorry, I'm just being unreasonably impatient! Isn't the silence deafening !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiddles47 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 According to a Facebook post made by Hattons, they've arrived early!! Watch this space,, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Isn't the silence deafening !!?!I suspect and may be wrong that "hattons" have had the delivery and are using the time to check the order is as it should be, testing a few samples of each , and possible preparing them for the mail order send out. Note this is pure speculation but may explain the delay. Monday 16/4/18 is shown as the day so lets wait and see . Couriers are you ready ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Normally Hattons have their listing of the days old crocks up by about 10am, but today it hasn't happened. I suspect that its all hands to the pumps checking the consignment, setting aside the pre-orders as they go, ready for a marathon packing frenzy over the weekend ready for the couriers to collect on Monday. We may possibly have the objects of our desire to hand mid-week! Keep your eye on your email for dispatch info.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted April 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2018 Oh yes, the unboxing videos..... Try this one on for size... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Try this one on for size... But all we see is the Hattons bod chopping a plastic Pug plug! A true unboxing video includes taking the box out of the delivery box, an examination of the outside of the box from all angles, the internal packaging from all angles, reading the blurb aloud, and so on. Before you actually get to the contents of the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 But all we see is the Hattons bod chopping a plastic Pug plug! A true unboxing video includes taking the box out of the delivery box, an examination of the outside of the box from all angles, the internal packaging from all angles, reading the blurb aloud, and so on. Before you actually get to the contents of the box. Maybe the Hattons bod can't read Mandarin ??!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Caledonian Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Maybe the Hattons bod can't read Mandarin ??!? Brute force and ignorance wins every time, but yes we need to see what came next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 They are already on the case. My orders for Katie and Coronation have been merged (thankfully) and processed. Yay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium maq1988 Posted April 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2018 My order for N.C.B. No.6 has just popped up as processed. Hopefully it'll be here soon - excellent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 My order for N.C.B. No.6 has just popped up as processed. Hopefully it'll be here soon - excellent! Yup, mine too, lets see how long it takes to get back to this side of the world? The only problem I see is that I'm off to the Tanami for 3 weeks on Monday so I'll just have to froth over everyone else's! J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Email: "Order Processed" ! In fact, when it arrives, I may do an Unboxing Video..... Edited April 13, 2018 by Hroth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Engine and crew packed and dispatched. Now I just have to wait for Canada Post to throw it on my porch. Thank goodness Hattons does a good job of packaging (which I congratulated them on after my experience with the flying P class). Cheers, David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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