nicktamarensis Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Hello, Has anyone got any history for the attached large snowplough No. 988 photographed at Haymarket? I found a reference to 'ADB988' scrapped at Booth-Roe Metals, Rotherham in 1/99, but was this the same unit? Many thanks, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted May 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) Hello, Has anyone got any history for the attached large snowplough No. 988 photographed at Haymarket? I found a reference to 'ADB988' scrapped at Booth-Roe Metals, Rotherham in 1/99, but was this the same unit? Many thanks, Nick. It would seem to be likely - below is what appears to be a later photo. (Copyright Alex Betteney) Regards, John Isherwood. Edited May 13, 2018 by cctransuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) Hi Nick Snowplough 988 was one of a batch built for the North Eastern Region at Gorton Works in 1957-8. They were built on ex GCR class J11 tender underframes. A drawing appears in Railway Snowploughs of the North East by David and Claire Williamson. I cannot find a record of 988 being allocated outside of the NER or of another snowplough with the same number or last 3 digits as some ER ploughs displayed. The only independent ploughs I have come across in ScR service are BR ploughs and the two (one at Eastfield and one at Ayr) which were LNER tenders with ex CR ploughs which had previously been mounted on Jumbo and later 4F 0-6-0 locomotives. Was 988 allocated outside the NER to return later? My model of a North Eastern Region snowplough with a BR independent snowplough and a converted 08. Edited May 13, 2018 by Clive Mortimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Thanks very much Clive and John, I am completely in the dark as to the allocation of this unit and am trying to find out as much as I can on behalf of another party. Anything else which may help to pin down this vehicle and its movement history would be most interesting and gratefully received and of course acknowledged. Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2018 Thanks very much Clive and John, I am completely in the dark as to the allocation of this unit and am trying to find out as much as I can on behalf of another party. Anything else which may help to pin down this vehicle and its movement history would be most interesting and gratefully received and of course acknowledged. Nick. Hi Nick From the book I have already mentioned 988 was at Gateshead with 985/6 and 7 in 1967, Darlington with 987 in 1979 and Thornaby in 1986, again paired with 987. Could its appearance at Haymarket been where it had been used to patrol the line between Newcastle and Edinburgh and it was waiting to return home? Or for Scottish crews to get use to driving with a plough in front prior to the introduction of the BR independent ploughs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Quite likely Clive. Is there any info on the earlier history of the unit since its delivery? Was it based at Gateshead since day one? Paul Bartlett's site mentions the unit was one a batch which incorporated the tender frames of J11 engines. Would this imply they were built at Gorton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Just another addition on this subject - somewhere (I can't now recall where) I found a reference to 'TE988' - would that be the same unit renumbered? Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2018 Quite likely Clive. Is there any info on the earlier history of the unit since its delivery? Was it based at Gateshead since day one? Paul Bartlett's site mentions the unit was one a batch which incorporated the tender frames of J11 engines. Would this imply they were built at Gorton? Hi Nick The book does not give any earlier history, it gives the allocation of the NER built ploughs from 1895 to 1986, one year per decade and for the 1950s it is 1956, before the Gorton batch was built. TE988 is not a number I have encountered with regard to snowploughs. Yes the batch used ex GCR J11 frames from locos that were being scraped at Gorton at the time. When I built my model I used Paul's photos and I presumed they were on NER tender underframes so the spacing is a little out 6 ft 4 ins + 6 ft 4 ins not 6 ft 6 ins + 6 ft 6 ins of a GCR tender. and I have found out the cab is 2 mm too long since getting the above book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Many thanks Clive, Much appreciated. Although I'm not a 'modern image' modeller, I was impressed by the work you've put in to your various projects - the circuitry would have sunk me very earlier on! Cheers, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Guys I am fairly sure snowploughs were long gone from Haymarket by 1/99 as stated above so this must have been stored elsewhere before it was cut up possibly at Slateford or Millerhill even maybe at Booths for a bit before being cut I am sure in 99 Scottish ploughs were based at Motherwell Carstairs and Inverness Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) Platform 5's "Track Machines" book of 1984 lists ADB988 at Thornaby with ADB987, described as "Large Plough with Guards Compartment", of which there were 11: 981/982 at TY (Tyne Yard?), 983/984/985/986 at GD, 987/988 at TE (Thornaby), 990 at YK (York) and 991/992 at HM (Healey Mills). All prefixed ADB They also list 7 ADE-prefixed "Tender-Mounted Large Plough": 965 YK 979 Norwich 321012 ED (Eastfield) 330635 Worksop 330966 SB (Shirebrook?) 330982 SB 330983 YK And 9 ADE-prefix "Tender-Mounted Medium Plough": 330917 Worksop 330964 LN (Lincoln) 330968 CR (Colchester?) 330970 SF (Stratford) 330974 CA (Cambridge) 330975 CA 330976 SF 330977 CR 330978 LN Edit: the 1983 RCTS loco stock book has more technical info. The batch including 988 shows: Type code ZZP B RA 1 Weight 32t Max 45 mph Length 28 feet Hand Brake only Edited May 14, 2018 by eastwestdivide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 Many thanks for the extra info chaps. This will be most useful. I believe the photograph (along with one other taken on the same occasion) will be used either in an article or a book so I will ensure the information which you have given me will be properly credited. Cheers, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 All Having looked at the picture above I with the plough and the 37 in the background I am almost certain it's at Thornaby or Tees Yard hopefully somebody with more knowledge of the North East can confirm 37341 was a Thornaby loco but was stored in 94 this could be the Thornaby scrap line note the open bonnet door the 37 wasn't cut up until 03 so shows just how long items can be stored before cutting up Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Also Meant to say I think Haymarket lost its allocation of locos and became a sprinter depot in about 1990/91 so I think the ploughs would have been gone around that time as well Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH-UK Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Check 3rd pic down in this post http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85326-dave-fs-photos-ongoing-more-added-13th-may/?p=2246968 The afore mentioned 37 at Thornaby and the right style of plough Also in a youtube video from Oct 89 there is a likely shape of a plough Nothing conclusive but adds to the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 Brilliant - thanks for all your efforts guys. Enjoyed the YouTube video as well. As I've said, although I'm nowhere near being 'modern image', how much more interesting things were in the late 80's compared with today! Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) Hello, Has anyone got any history for the attached large snowplough No. 988 photographed at Haymarket? I found a reference to 'ADB988' scrapped at Booth-Roe Metals, Rotherham in 1/99, but was this the same unit? Many thanks, Nick. Hi Nick, I am still unsure why 988 would be off region? I am not familiar with Haymarket shed and have tried to find photos of it on the internet so I can confirm it is Haymarket to myself, I am not doubting you but I always like to double check things for myself. I think I have found one photo of the small building but from the other side, the lights/telegraph pole sticking out the wagon is the same, so I accept it is Haymarket, in the late 50s very early sixties before it was rebuilt for diesel traction? The livery of 988 also suggest that sort of date. But what is it doing there? I would like to know. Edited May 14, 2018 by Clive Mortimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishlocos Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 All I would say it has been drafted in to replace a broken or unavailable SCR plough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2018 All I would say it has been drafted in to replace a broken or unavailable SCR plough The Scottish Region didn't get any independent snowploughs until 1964/5 by then Haymarket was under reconstruction and the roof of the main shed was changed from what we can see in the photo. Up until then ploughs were fitted to the front of steam locos. As I said earlier It might have been used to patrol the mainline between Newcastle and Edinburgh or some training of loco crews in the use of independent ploughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktamarensis Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 The Scottish Region didn't get any independent snowploughs until 1964/5 by then Haymarket was under reconstruction and the roof of the main shed was changed from what we can see in the photo. Up until then ploughs were fitted to the front of steam locos. As I said earlier It might have been used to patrol the mainline between Newcastle and Edinburgh or some training of loco crews in the use of independent ploughs. Hi Clive, I've definitely confirmed the building as being Haymarket from '50's/'60's photographs - but as you say, what the unit was doing there is anybody's good guess. I like the 'patrol' notion and also the training one. The allocation of a snowplough of this type to Haymarket is not mentioned in Harry Knox's book on the shed (published by Lightmoor) so I'm inclined to the idea that it was the Thornaby vehicle in use for either of the suggested reasons given. Cheers, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) Hello, Has anyone got any history for the attached large snowplough No. 988 photographed at Haymarket? I found a reference to 'ADB988' scrapped at Booth-Roe Metals, Rotherham in 1/99, but was this the same unit? Many thanks, Nick. Hi Does anyone know if there are more photos of this Snow Plough It would make a very good addition to my Haymarket Layout. More photos or any information would enable me to possibly scratch build one. Regards David Edited August 23, 2018 by landscapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2018 Hi Does anyone know if there are more photos of this Snow Plough It would make a very good addition to my Haymarket Layout. More photos or any information would enable me to possibly scratch build one. Regards David As I mentioned in post no 3 "A drawing appears in Railway Snowploughs of the North East by David and Claire Williamson." Paul Bartlett's BR wagon site has quite a few photos of the Gorton built NER snowploughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 As I mentioned in post no 3 "A drawing appears in Railway Snowploughs of the North East by David and Claire Williamson." Paul Bartlett's BR wagon site has quite a few photos of the Gorton built NER snowploughs. Hi Clive Many thanks for the information its much appreciated. Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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