RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) I looked at my books and searched the t'internet but I can't find a clear example of a simple GWR, "Engines must not pass this point" board. It might have been a cast plate or a board with cast letters, the sources are not clear. It might have said "MAY" rather than "MUST". It might have had a light stone border when fixed to a building but it might have been white. In other words, there are rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty... However GWW says that one of the standard "plates" was "Engines may not pass this point" (nothing more) and it was 20.75in by 14.5in. We know that lettering came in certain standard sizes. So here's an educated guess at a cast iron plate in a font that's close (the signal box nameplate font) with 3in and 2in lettering: Edited April 17, 2021 by Harlequin 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 I bet that is where I had seen it and why "Engines must not pass this board" looked so familiar. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Harlequin said: I looked at my books and searched the t'internet but I can't find a clear example of a simple GWR, "Engines must not pass this point" board. It might have been a cast plate or a board with cast letters, the sources are not clear. It might have said "MAY" rather than "MUST". It might have had a light stone border when fixed to a building but it might have been white. In other words, there are rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty... However GWW says that one of the standard "plates" was "Engines may not pass this point" (nothing more) and it was 20.75in by 14.5in. We know that lettering came in certain standard sizes. So here's an educated guess at a cast iron plate in a font that's close (the signal box nameplate font) with 3in and 2in lettering: Thanks for looking into it for me Phil, it’s appreciated As there is doubt and uncertainty I may have to resort to Rule #1 and draw one that looks plausible when it arrives it might still be worth seeing what the “must not pass this arch” looks like on the building 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Harlequin said: I looked at my books and searched the t'internet but I can't find a clear example of a simple GWR, "Engines must not pass this point" board. It might have been a cast plate or a board with cast letters, the sources are not clear. It might have said "MAY" rather than "MUST". It might have had a light stone border when fixed to a building but it might have been white. In other words, there are rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty... However GWW says that one of the standard "plates" was "Engines may not pass this point" (nothing more) and it was 20.75in by 14.5in. We know that lettering came in certain standard sizes. So here's an educated guess at a cast iron plate in a font that's close (the signal box nameplate font) with 3in and 2in lettering: Phil, is that an "official" font? Is the .ttf file available anywhere? Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: Thanks for looking into it for me Phil, it’s appreciated As there is doubt and uncertainty I may have to resort to Rule #1 and draw one that looks plausible when it arrives it might still be worth seeing what the “must not pass this arch” looks like on the building I can send you the vector file, if it would be useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Phil, is that an "official" font? Is the .ttf file available anywhere? Thanks. Most (all?) model GWR signal boxes, even on the most famous layouts, use a font that doesn't look right to me so I made one based on the info in "G.W.R. Signalbox Nameplates" by Michael Dunn. I haven't decided whether to publish it yet because I have a related idea I'm still thinking about. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Harlequin said: Most (all?) model GWR signal boxes, even on the most famous layouts, use a font that doesn't look right to me so I made one based on the info in "G.W.R. Signalbox Nameplates" by Michael Dunn. I haven't decided whether to publish it yet because I have a related idea I'm still thinking about. Thanks Phil. If you do publish it that would be good. If not, a private copy would be most welcome! At the moment I use 1.5mm Slater's letters on my models, which are definitely wrong, and the GWR Station Nameboard font (downloaded from the old GWR e-list I think) for the printed signs above my Modratec lever frames, which are better but still slightly narrow wider than the signal box letters I think. Edited April 18, 2021 by St Enodoc clarification 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, Harlequin said: I can send you the vector file, if it would be useful. Thanks Phil, not sure I have the relevant software to open vector files unless they can be opened on AutoCAD? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 I've had a mess about this morning, the software used has a very limited font selection 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) These are the only fonts available I quite like the bottom left one or maybe the top left one The size is 16mm x 10mm (4ft x 2ft-6") so quite a lot bigger than @Harlequin mentioned but I have to take into account the limitations of 3d printing and the limitations of my ability to paint it Edited April 17, 2021 by chuffinghell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2021 Closed for business Open for business 18 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2021 Oh and now the top hangers clear the truss frames 16 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold simonmcp Posted April 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: These are the only fonts available I quite like the bottom left one or maybe the top left one The size is 16mm x 10mm (4ft x 2ft-6") so quite a lot bigger than @Harlequin mentioned but I have to take into account the limitations of 3d printing and the limitations of my ability to paint it 'Painting' the lettering should be no problem. Paint the whole sign the background colour, then use whatever; cylindrical, relatively nonporous item you have to hand (insides of till rolls are good), paint it with a smooth thickish coat of the paint you want the lettering to be in and then gently roll it over the lettering. This should then coat the lettering with a layer of paint, just like a print roller. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2021 19 hours ago, chuffinghell said: Oh and now the top hangers clear the truss frames The saga of the goods shed build is almost as epic as the layout itself. totally worth it, seeing it come along and looking so good. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted April 19, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 Not done much this evening other than dirty up the doors, although I’m repainting the right hand door because I accidentally scratched some of the paint off 13 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted April 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2021 Don't forget to put horizontal scratch marks on the sliding doors Chris, it is inevitable they would get some in normal use, particularly on the Judas gate in the left-hand door, you can guarantee someone, sometime, tried to close or open the main door when the little door wasn't latched properly. Al. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 This is far more worn than yours would be, but it does show the difference in levels of wear that different parts of the doors would be subject to, with plenty of damage to the Judas gate. Hope that it's of interest. 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 19, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2021 Yes, very interesting but I’m not sure that I’m brave enough or confident enough to create that amount of ‘distress’ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: Yes, very interesting but I’m not sure that I’m brave enough or confident enough to create that amount of ‘distress’ It wouldn't have been anywhere near that battered until the sixties, so I wouldn't worry about not being able to recreate it. I was just attempting to illustrate @Alister_G's point about the Judas gate getting knocked about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted April 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: Yes, very interesting but I’m not sure that I’m brave enough or confident enough to create that amount of ‘distress’ Ah go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, go-on, Sorry, Mrs Doyle sneaked in there... I'm sure you would make a cracking job of it. You-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will,you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, you-will, For heaven's sake SHUT UP Woman!! Ahem... Al. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted April 20, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 Whilst waiting for the paint on the door to dry I thought it might be a good idea to see if the hoist fits I need to weather the gutters and bargeboard before attaching it properly 20 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted April 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) That looks amazing, the first photo is really atmospheric. Al. Edited April 20, 2021 by Alister_G spillong 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted April 20, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Alister_G said: That looks amazing, the first photo is really atmospheric. Al. Thanks Al As you can tell my videoing skills are as bad as my photography skills Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted April 20, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 Looks okay with the roof on too I need to think about interior lighting without it being too obviously visible 19 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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