RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) Before:- After:- Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 14, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) Chiselled off paint demarcation lines (still learning how to do this). Primed and repainted coach sides with Phoenix maroon enamel. Repainted roof. Lining and number decals from Modelmaster. Snipped off old tension lock couplings and added new slimline ones. Replaced plastic wheels with new Hornby metal wheels. Re-glazed with acetate strips from an old report cover. Cleaned up and painted the interior. Great fun!!! I have a few more to restore. Cheers Darius Edited September 14, 2018 by Darius43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Looks great, but is this not an upgrade as it has not been brought back to original condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 14, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 Thread title changed to placate the literary pedantic. Cheers Darius 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The coach in the 'before' picture appears to have the interior the wrong way round. Looks great, but is this not an upgrade as it has not been brought back to original condition? Original condition would be self-coloured plastic, not paint, and very simpified lining so repainting is definitley an upgrade. Another simple improvement it to replaced the small round buffer heads with oval ones; they just pull out, so it's easy to do. After that you could cut strips of black styrene to add footboards under the doors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 14, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 The coach in the 'before' picture appears to have the interior the wrong way round. Original condition would be self-coloured plastic, not paint, and very simpified lining so repainting is definitley an upgrade. Another simple improvement it to replaced the small round buffer heads with oval ones; they just pull out, so it's easy to do. After that you could cut strips of black styrene to add footboards under the doors. It did indeed - one of the easier "improvements". An awful lot of flash had to be removed from the interior molding. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 14, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) BSK added to the rake. Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hi Darius, The one modification that will easily improve a Triang-Hornby Mk1 is to set the bogies to the correct centres and at the same time lower the running height especially if using the correct diameter 14mm wheels. It makes a huge difference for the sake of 3mm as does the correct height of 12' 41/2" to the top of the roof which scales at 49.3mm. The bogie centres need to be set at 46' 6" which works out at 186mm rather than the 189mm of the Triang coach, buffer height needs to be 14mm. The easy way to set the centres is 34mm from the outer end of the head stock. I have 39 Mk1's in my to do box, all the body sides along with various cut and shuts have been done along with about half of the bogie mounts. I eventually got so bored with them all I went on to build 15 Freightliner flats, 16 Presflos and designed a laser cut Cartic-4 instead, when I've had enough of trucks I shall get on with them. Looking good so far, Gibbo. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 15, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) One more on the way Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 15, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 Hi Darius, The one modification that will easily improve a Triang-Hornby Mk1 is to set the bogies to the correct centres and at the same time lower the running height especially if using the correct diameter 14mm wheels. It makes a huge difference for the sake of 3mm as does the correct height of 12' 41/2" to the top of the roof which scales at 49.3mm. The bogie centres need to be set at 46' 6" which works out at 186mm rather than the 189mm of the Triang coach, buffer height needs to be 14mm. The easy way to set the centres is 34mm from the outer end of the head stock. I have 39 Mk1's in my to do box, all the body sides along with various cut and shuts have been done along with about half of the bogie mounts. I eventually got so bored with them all I went on to build 15 Freightliner flats, 16 Presflos and designed a laser cut Cartic-4 instead, when I've had enough of trucks I shall get on with them. Looking good so far, Gibbo. Thanks Gibbo. I wasn’t aware of the bogie centre discrepancy, however as the bogies are riveted in place and these are a friend’s coaches (from his childhood train set) I will leave the improvements to the cosmetic ones that I have done so far. Looking at the interweb it seems that’s there were only four Triang Mk1 coach types: brake, composite, buffet and full brake. Is that correct? Presumably that’s the reason for the cut and shunts on your coaches? Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Thanks Gibbo. I wasn’t aware of the bogie centre discrepancy, however as the bogies are riveted in place and these are a friend’s coaches (from his childhood train set) I will leave the improvements to the cosmetic ones that I have done so far. Looking at the interweb it seems that’s there were only four Triang Mk1 coach types: brake, composite, buffet and full brake. Is that correct? Presumably that’s the reason for the cut and shunts on your coaches? Cheers Darius Hi Darius, Triang made models of the CK, BSK, RMB and SLEP, the BG is 63' 6" instead of 57' but is useful as a provider of bogie, roofs, under frames and for bits to cut and shut into other stuff. There are photos and quick descriptions of the cut and shuts I have done on this thread; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/136762-bashing-Bachmann-mk1s/page-1 Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Yes, four Mk.1s, but there were also two types of Caledonian 'Grampian' (CK & BCK) and two 'Thompson' (TK & BTK) coaches that used the same floor/bogies/roof. It is possible to make SK/TSO and scale BG sides out of two sets of BSK sides (invisible joins along door lines), though that will require an underframe and roof to be shortened for the BG. Edited September 15, 2018 by BernardTPM 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 15, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Got a few more to do and have some spare sides somewhere from the Indian Railways EMU project from a couple of years ago. Inspired by Gibbo’s examples, I may try a few cut and shuts. Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 FD4D58AF-AE97-4545-8413-F635BE3E5C68.jpeg 553A3990-8555-4029-8E6C-A7B390EDE99A.jpeg Got a few more to do and have some spare sides somewhere from the Indian Railways EMU project from a couple of years ago. Inspired by Gibbo’s examples, I may try a few cut and shuts. Cheers Darius My Mk.1 coaching stock has a very large proportion of Tri-ang-Hornby, (and Lima), upgrades in it's make-up. Given that these coaches can be obtained for very little money - especially from secondhand boxes at exhibitions, etc. - a little work resetting bogie centre, fitting larger metal wheels, correcting running height and fitting correct buffers and roof vents is time well spent. Cast underframe detail - from ABS at the time that I upgraded mine some twenty years ago - greatly improved accuracy and replaced the steel weight strips fitted by Tri-ang-Hornby. The glazing is recessed - I can live with that - but investigating Replica flush glazing may be productive; or recessing the (detachable) sides to take flusher glazing strips is worth considering. The annoying thing is that the Tri-ang coaches were originally designed to have flush glazing as per Kitmaster, but this was dropped in favour of acetate glazing strips to keep the coaches as cheap as possible. Close examination of the interior of the side mouldings will reveal features associated with moulded flush glazing. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 FD4D58AF-AE97-4545-8413-F635BE3E5C68.jpeg 553A3990-8555-4029-8E6C-A7B390EDE99A.jpeg Got a few more to do and have some spare sides somewhere from the Indian Railways EMU project from a couple of years ago. Inspired by Gibbo’s examples, I may try a few cut and shuts. Cheers Darius Hi Darius, Any questions just ask, as BernardTPM mentions you can get a BG and a SK/TSO from two BSK's without too much trouble as I did. Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Cut and shuts are good fun! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/136762-bashing-Bachmann-mk1s/ Would it bother you that the running numbers are wrong on the repaints? Sorry for asking! Phil Edited September 15, 2018 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Hi Darius, Raw material to be found here; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-lot-20-x-Triang-Hornby-Blood-Custard-BR-mk1-coach-body-sides-glazing/202415171102?hash=item2f20e2661e:g:dDQAAOSwtLxbgbMT Have fun with your razor saw. Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 The flush glazing was mentioned in the 1962 Tri-ang Railways catalogue but the stated reason for not using it was the prismatic effect round the windows. Of course, cheaper might be an additonal reason... Having said that, because the sides are separate the windows are not as deeply recessed as either Lima or early Mainline Mk.1s. The flush glazing did finally appear when the coaches made a return in 1996. The raised moulding lines were also removed at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I have 39 Mk1's in my to do box, all the body sides along with various cut and shuts have been done along with about half of the bogie mounts. I eventually got so bored with them all I went on to build 15 Freightliner flats, 16 Presflos and designed a laser cut Cartic-4 instead, when I've had enough of trucks I shall get on with them. Got any pics of these, especially the cartic 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Flush-glazing considerably improves what were not bad models for their time. It is fiddly to apply though. A cheaper option is to paint the window rims with black or dark grey to disguise the body thickness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Would it bother you that the running numbers are wrong on the repaints? Sorry for asking! Phil Hi Phil, I know the numbers aren’t right (they were on a Modelmaster sheet I had in the stash) but on the layout this train may be running in company with a Shinkansen and a Dutch double deck unit so I don’t think it will be too much of an issue Cheers Darius Edited September 16, 2018 by Darius43 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Yes indeed! Rule 1 applies...... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Managed to find these - was worried I might have binned them. Looks like a few cut and shut opportunities here... Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hi Phil, I know the numbers aren’t right (they were on a Modelmaster sheet I had in the stash) but on the layout this train may be running in company with a Shinkansen and a Dutch double deck unit so I don’t think it will be too much of an issue Cheers Darius The rule for normal viewing distances can apply here: if you cannot read the numbers at normal viewing distance then does it really matter if they are 'wrong' or even duplicated on different coaches? i have some coaches converted using brass sides that have been running for decades with no numbers at all. I may get around to it (a round tuit? ) eventually, but no one has ever commented or even noticed this at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Made a start on an SK. Cheers Darius Edited February 26, 2023 by Darius43 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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