Heljan announce re-tooled Class 86 in OO

[TRAILRAGE]

Interesting modification done to the Pantograph base and head which has also been painted, by Kier Hardy for his Hornsey Broadway Layout.  Amazing how much difference it makes.

 

Scroll down for the images

 

http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/model_omwb180.html

 

Cheers Trailrage

Edited March 16, 2022 by TRAILRAGE

[97406]

6 hours ago, TRAILRAGE said:

Interesting modification done to the Pantograph base and head which has also been painted, by Kier Hardy for his Hornsey Broadway Layout.  Amazing how much difference it makes.

 

Scroll down for the images

 

http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/model_omwb180.html

 

Cheers Trailrage

I never thought about lowering mine, they do look good. 

[TRAILRAGE]

On 11/03/2022 at 11:31, 97406 said:

 

I forgot about that. Will email him.

 

In other news…. 

Thanks for the guide. I have 2 more kits to apply the lessons learnt from this one.

97406 Its just clicked on which Loco this is. Awesome  Job. I only came across a Pic on Flickr of this one earlier this year as until then I hadn't seen any evidence of and InterCity 87 carrying the AEI Pantograph. Lovely Job. This is the only Pic I've come across so far.

 

 

Cheers Trailrage

Edited March 20, 2022 by TRAILRAGE
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[97406]

12 hours ago, TRAILRAGE said:

97406 Its just clicked on which Loco this is. Awesome  Job. I only came across a Pic on Flickr of this one earlier this year as until then I hadn't seen any evidence of and InterCity 87 carrying the AEI Pantograph. Lovely Job. This is the only Pic I've come across so far.

 

 

Cheers Trailrage

 

It made it an interesting subject to model, here’s the pic I found of it.

 

I’m thinking of respraying my remaining 87 as 87006 City of Glasgow in the Large Logo grey livery by way of adding a little variety, and I can’t be bothered waiting for Hornby to release theirs for twice the price of what I paid for the one I’m going to respray. I may change my mind and do the IC executive livery with the grey band, but I already have that livery, and banger blue well represented.

 

[60800]

86401 has arrived and has been added to the stable;

 

 

A few points to note - very odd moulded buffers. They are not quite round but regardless of this they are the wrong type for 401 in this livery. 

 

The orange underframe cabling is very fragile and snaps at the slightest touch. I might re-inforce it from behind with a spare length of brass handrail stock. It also floats at one end so seemingly goes nowhere. 

 

Apart from that I'm very impressed with the loco and it's general finish. I think I'd like to get 87002 to go with this lot too.

 

 

Cheers,

  60800

Edited April 6, 2022 by 60800

[Dixie Dean]

On 06/04/2022 at 19:47, 60800 said:

86401 has arrived and has been added to the stable;

 

 

How does the pantograph, and in particular, the head, sit un der the catenary wire when running?  Is it reasonably robust?

[60800]

I don't have catenary (yet) but when I do it will just be the stanchions with no wires. This said, the pan does look very robust. Both main arms are sprung, whilst the head pivots in two places - at the junction with the top main arm and then directly on it's mounting on the small horizontal arm at the top. 

 

Cheers,

  60800

[97406]

With the BW pan, the spring is a bit too strong for the catenary, but I've replaced it with one from a bag of Marklin springs that I bought from Ebay. I have also glued the top section in place with a dab of superglue so it's just about horizontal with the pan up. The pan works well as a result, and doesn't look too bad in the lowered position, either.

 

 

[60800]

I've not got a massive amount of knowledge on 86's, so would someone be able to advise me please on what work would need to be done to 86401 to turn it into 86101, bar the obvious rename / renumber?

 

Cheers,

  60800

[97406]

35 minutes ago, 60800 said:

I've not got a massive amount of knowledge on 86's, so would someone be able to advise me please on what work would need to be done to 86401 to turn it into 86101, bar the obvious rename / renumber?

 

Cheers,

  60800

The bogie sideframes were replaced with some that were cut from spare Hornby class 90 bogie frames. Class 87 bogie frames will also do. There were also changes done to the compressor side of the underframe which are unique to the sub class. In real life they were the testbed for the class 87 in the early 70s.

Edited April 10, 2022 by 97406

[60800]

42 minutes ago, 97406 said:

The bogie sideframes were replaced with some that were cut from spare Hornby class 90 bogie frames. Class 87 bogie frames will also do. There were also changes done to the compressor side of the underframe which are unique to the sub class. In real life they were the testbed for the class 87 in the early 70s.

 

Thanks 97406 - It's an interesting comparison between the three bogie types, with even marked differences between the 87 and 90;

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

  60800

[97406]

2 hours ago, 60800 said:

 

Thanks 97406 - It's an interesting comparison between the three bogie types, with even marked differences between the 87 and 90;

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

  60800

 

You can see how the design evolved. The original 86 bogie had heavy axle hung traction motors which were rough on the track. Hence the addition of the flexicoil springs and SAB resilient wheels. For my 86/1, the 90 frames are close enough.

Edited April 10, 2022 by 97406

[greg81]

There’s still something about the new tooling that doesn’t quite hit the spot. That a-pillar looks too narrow from the side for a start.

[Matt]

On 12/02/2022 at 11:40, WolfofBadenoch said:

 

There probably is some difference between models but during my struggles i consulted You Tube and in the 2 videos i watched (Roads+Rails and Jenny Kirk), neither seemed to find it totally straightforward to remove the body, but they at least gave me the confidence i was on the right road. I had 4 cardboard shims jammed up between body and chassis at each recess and i still struggled to work the body off.

Ok so I can confirm there are differences - my first 5 were easy which is why I was surprised others were finding them difficult. Latest purchase though…. A Freightliner 637 and is gradually losing under frame parts as I wrestle trying to get any movement from the body… have taken a break from it and will return later. If no joy it’s going back as faulty as it should not be this difficult and wasn’t on others…

[97406]

 

On 10/04/2022 at 11:32, 60800 said:

 

Thanks 97406 - It's an interesting comparison between the three bogie types, with even marked differences between the 87 and 90;

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

  60800

 

Interestingly, on closer inspection the Hornby RR class 90 bogie frames don't have any of the fine white pipework of the more up-to-date Bachmann 90 and Hornby 87. I'm not sure if I fancy trying to add it, Bogie plastic is often notoriously difficult to get owt to stick to.

[Ajax50046]

Good to see Gaugemaster have commissioned 86401 in its NSE livery. Scheduled Q4 2022...so perhaps alongside some more liveries!

 

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/news/article/view/id/664/ 

[GordonC]

17 minutes ago, Ajax50046 said:

Good to see Gaugemaster have commissioned 86401 in its NSE livery. Scheduled Q4 2022...so perhaps alongside some more liveries!

 

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/news/article/view/id/664/ 

 

Wow! thats definitely one I'd want, but at £240 I'm going to have to think about whether I can justify it

 

[60800]

27 minutes ago, GordonC said:

 

Wow! thats definitely one I'd want, but at £240 I'm going to have to think about whether I can justify it

 

 

Just a shade over £200 from Rails (where I've just put my pre-order in)

 

I got my Caledonian 86401 on the bench last night to fit the nameplates but got distracted by cutting up Thompson coaches - rather fortunately as it turns out as that loco will now become 86101. What a close cut thing haha.

 

Cheers,

  60800

[GordonC]

3 minutes ago, 60800 said:

 

Just a shade over £200 from Rails (where I've just put my pre-order in)

 

I got my Caledonian 86401 on the bench last night to fit the nameplates but got distracted by cutting up Thompson coaches - rather fortunately as it turns out as that loco will now become 86101. What a close cut thing haha.

 

Cheers,

  60800

 

ah nice! I thought it was a Gaugemaster exclusive but that must be full RRP.

[97406]

At that price, I’ll think about having a go at respraying it myself. Wonder if you can get transfers for the upswept bits? Will take a look.

[47606odin]

Got 3 now. I like them. Now if only I could get in to fit a chip

 

[Pete the Elaner]

19 hours ago, 97406 said:

At that price, I’ll think about having a go at respraying it myself. Wonder if you can get transfers for the upswept bits? Will take a look.

 

Fox did do transfers for those. I expect they are just computer based artwork so can be reproduced at any time?

 

But what should I do with my Hornby NSE 86? I still believe that the Hornby model looks good when detailed & that is one of my better detailing efforts. 🤔

[97406]

2 hours ago, 47606odin said:

Got 3 now. I like them. Now if only I could get in to fit a chip

 

 

There’s no turning back. Time to call Canaholics Anonymous!

 

[97406]

1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

Fox did do transfers for those. I expect they are just computer based artwork so can be reproduced at any time?

 

But what should I do with my Hornby NSE 86? I still believe that the Hornby model looks good when detailed & that is one of my better detailing efforts. 🤔

 

I had a quick look last night, but their search didn’t yield anything. I’ll revisit when I have some more time. 

[Pete the Elaner]

49 minutes ago, 97406 said:

 

I had a quick look last night, but their search didn’t yield anything. I’ll revisit when I have some more time. 

https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/nse-lining-chevrons-for-class-47-50-locos

https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/nse-loco-logos-numbering

I know the item says 47 & 50 for the stripes, but 86401 shared this & it is on the other transfer sheet which covers both.