Ressaldar Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hi Dave, totaly agree, so it's short bursts on the button with multiple thin layers - working for me at the moment. cheers Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I have made a start on the re-sized tanks. Those look a lot better. It's a shame that JLTRT haven't taken the opportunity to supply new, etched, walkways with them though, as the resin ones are far too chunky IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 The walkways are etch Martin. I admit they could be a bit finer but they are ok. You could argue that the end ladders being lost wax are a bit chunky and etched sides and wire steps would look better but the idea behind JLTRT is to keep things simple so hopefully anyone can build them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hi Brian, 08 looks nice, Im glad you got some glue buster to remove your barrel from the chassis on the TTA .I have built my 12 TTA`s and they are about to enter the paint shop. Transfers are all sorted. The old barrels not sure may do some soda tanks, not sure what other use they may have, any thoughts. I think they may be to small again for acid tanks, anyway back to the bench Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 The walkways are etch Martin. I admit they could be a bit finer but they are ok. You could argue that the end ladders being lost wax are a bit chunky and etched sides and wire steps would look better but the idea behind JLTRT is to keep things simple so hopefully anyone can build them. Oh, I must admit I thought the whole assembly was cast, but I have only gone from photos. I'll have a close look at Telford, perhaps it'll change my mind. I understand the philosophy behind the JLTRT range, but feel that sometimes things could be slightly less simple, though still within the realms of anybody being able to build them, with a massive improvement in appearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I was never keen on Acrylic car sprays, always finding the cellulose sprays gave a far superior finish but the last few cans of Halford acrylic I have tried have been very good, but you do have to be careful not to build up the depth too much, seems the cellulose gives a "thinner" paint surface and retains the body details better. Hi Boxbrownie, Thanks for the encouraging words, perhaps the newer version are better? Cellulose, yes they are better on the whole, yet getting rarer, although JLTRT and others supply such and a local company can supply such for specific colours.... ATB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Oh, I must admit I thought the whole assembly was cast, but I have only gone from photos. I'll have a close look at Telford, perhaps it'll change my mind. I understand the philosophy behind the JLTRT range, but feel that sometimes things could be slightly less simple, though still within the realms of anybody being able to build them, with a massive improvement in appearance. Hi Pugsley, I am with you there! Hi Brian, Were the original tanks NQLTRT then? CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 I must admit I was suprised when I first saw the JLTRT 08 to see that the radiator fan compartment vent slots were filled in and not moulded to be open, even the Bachmann brass has this, and to my eyes one of the major features of these little workhorses.....a great shame, I suppose one could open them out with careful drilling and filing but with a JLTRT I was hoping for more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 I must admit I was suprised when I first saw the JLTRT 08 to see that the radiator fan compartment vent slots were filled in and not moulded to be open, even the Bachmann brass has this, and to my eyes one of the major features of these little workhorses.....a great shame, I suppose one could open them out with careful drilling and filing but with a JLTRT I was hoping for more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djparkins Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 David, I think [as your excellent photos show] that it is a fact that several of these details can only really be replicated as etchings. Your photos show that this does not just only apply to the rad. shutters but to the ladders also and other items. You can have too much 'dumbing down'!!! I'm an old iron age man and am very simple - hence I do not understand why this simplification of everything results in higher as opposed to lower prices for some modern kits. It seems you pay more for less detail. David Parkins, Modern Motive Power Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwrman Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Hi, has any got a colour picture of the proto black 08 which Model Rail are doing as a limited D3052 as if I were to make one of these, as I thinking of, it would be in that livery. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 David, yes we know how old you are and I agree there are some items which etching or sheet metal is more suited to or the only satisfactory alternative, but it wouldn't be a great leap of rapid prototyping/3D modelling to make the front end with a recess and provide a section of etched brass/NS as a wrap around the radiator cowling, that seems so simple to me and the way I would have liked to have seen it in production. There is no reason why the two technologies cannot be married without it causing divorce proceedings surely? As for the pricing.....its just market forces and what the consumer is willing to pay, after all some of us may not possess the skills or the time to invest hundreds of hours in building the ultimate in brass/NS kits, and if those that wish to pay for the kits to be built can afford the staggering hourly rates good luck to them, but the rest might want to enjoy the building of a kit and the satisfaction of the finished article knowing that it was our hands that did it albeit with a price premium that is containable to most balanced by a much shorter build time (but never as short as Brians!), but thats just the way I look at it. BTW I have one of your detailing kits for my Bachmann 08, and I was amazed at the amount of material and effort you have very obviously put into the design and thought of it.....and if thats just a detailing kit I would not even contemplate a full kit....I know it just would not get finished, at least not to a level I would be proud of.....I think I'd end up looking at the build as a chore in the end and there is no fun it that for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djparkins Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 BTW I have one of your detailing kits for my Bachmann 08, and I was amazed at the amount of material and effort you have very obviously put into the design and thought of it.....and if thats just a detailing kit I would not even contemplate a full kit.... David - Thank you for your observations. So I guess that what you are saying, in a way. is that we offered you too much value for money in our Class 08 Detail Set! Regards, David Parkins 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 I must admit I was suprised when I first saw the JLTRT 08 to see that the radiator fan compartment vent slots were filled in and not moulded to be open, even the Bachmann brass has this, and to my eyes one of the major features of these little workhorses.....a great shame, I suppose one could open them out with careful drilling and filing but with a JLTRT I was hoping for more. David if you are refering to the long louvres on the front then these are an etch and are open at 45degrees. If you are refering to the side intakes then I am sure they will blend in nicely when a bit of weathering goes on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 David - Thank you for your observations. So I guess that what you are saying, in a way. is that we offered you too much value for money in our Class 08 Detail Set! Regards, David Parkins Yes, but don't ask me for more money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 David if you are refering to the long louvres on the front then these are an etch and are open at 45degrees. If you are refering to the side intakes then I am sure they will blend in nicely when a bit of weathering goes on it. Brian, I am refering to the side vents (behind the ladders) which let the air out from the radiator, I know you could forget the fact they should be open but on the real thing (as you well know ) you can see right through to the fan.....I like that bit of detail.....now how about a rotating fan too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 After reading your question about 4 times I came to the conclusion you were on about the side holes I still think these will look fine with a bit of weathered black in them, time will tell! Now if Heljan were to do an 08 would that have a working fan like their mainline models? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Just for you Dave I have filled these side intakes with some Railmatch Weathered Black Does look better for it. A couple of pictures to show what the ends look like with all the lampirons and lights on now. Pushing my luck getting the lense in this close 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 That looks great Brian what make varnishes did you use? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ronseal Pete. By the way I have just soldered up the 26 rad grill. Will phot it tomorrow. Seems ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ok great thanks Brian. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2011 I knew you couldn't resist the challenge.....that actually looks much better, well I think so....and when its weathered it'll really look the part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 David, I think [as your excellent photos show] that it is a fact that several of these details can only really be replicated as etchings. Your photos show that this does not just only apply to the rad. shutters but to the ladders also and other items. You can have too much 'dumbing down'!!! I'm an old iron age man and am very simple - hence I do not understand why this simplification of everything results in higher as opposed to lower prices for some modern kits. It seems you pay more for less detail. David Parkins, Modern Motive Power Hi David +1 It's a shame that 'appropriatness' hasnt been applied as with the wagon kits such seems back to front at times (i.e. Lost Wax Brass used when Whitemetal would do, yet WM used when LWB was NEEDED!). CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Just for you Dave I have filled these side intakes with some Railmatch Weathered Black Does look better for it. A couple of pictures to show what the ends look like with all the lampirons and lights on now. Pushing my luck getting the lense in this close HI Brian, How I envy you the 08 looks really superb in the deopt surroundings! CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ronseal Pete. By the way I have just soldered up the 26 rad grill. Will phot it tomorrow. Seems ok Hi Brian, When sorted can you let me have the measurements for the grill, so that I could look at using such for my 33's? Hoping to place an order soon for other parts.... Thanks guys CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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