Aire Head Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Some Trains using either of Bradford stations involve reversing in some capacity. At Forster Square services to London KX need to complete a reversal at Leeds in order to access the Aire Valley Line. While still on the Aire Valley Line Limestone Traffic from Rhylstone has to complete a reversal at Skipton and likewise from Arcow and Dryrigg Quarries near Horton In Ribblesdale reversals are done at Blea Moor. I also understand that some reversal are done at Hellifield however I cannot say what services these would be. For Bradford Interchange trains travelling from Leeds to Manchester Airport and Huddersfield perform a reversal in the Station. If you go back further in time Leeds Skipton services used to undergo a reversal at the Shipley triangle until the 1990s. Shipley was also used for turning stock too large to be performed elsewhere locally. Notably in the 1950s it was used to turn the Deltic Prototype and a Dynamometer Car. Anglo-Scottish trains and Bradford-London services using the Aire Valley used to do a reversal at Leeds. In fact the Thames Clyde Express at certain periods used to perform a reversal at both Leicester and Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Pity the poor souls who thought that taking a sleeper from Milford Haven to Paddington would be restful... At Carmarthen, attach mail vans to train and train reverses direction of travel. At Swansea, train reverses direction of travel. At Cardiff, detach mail vans. All gone now, of course. I sometimes speculate what a Brighton- Milford Haven train might be like:- Change of direction at Portsmouth, Bristol TM, Swansea and Carmarthen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted October 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2019 17 hours ago, melmerby said: Precisely. The Dinting Glossop Hadfied does that as it is one service Manchester to Manchester but reverses twice to end up facing the way it came. For instance this train (2G89): https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y63390/2019-10-21/detailed Wondered why you were listing that as two reversals, makes sense there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, melmerby said: Precisely. The Dinting Glossop Hadfied does that as it is one service Manchester to Manchester but reverses twice to end up facing the way it came. For instance this train (2G89): https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y63390/2019-10-21/detailed That (to me) seems a very odd way of describing a train; Hadfield is (nowadays) of course a dead end, so every train arriving there must terminate and return whence it came, either via Glossop or direct to Dinting. Normally (ie outside the peaks) the Manchester/Hadfield services all run via Glossop with one reversal there. Edited October 22, 2019 by caradoc Clarification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 21/10/2019 at 11:03, Reorte said: To serve both Hadfield and Glossop a train has to reverse at one or the other. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, caradoc said: That (to me) seems a very odd way of describing a train; Hadfield is (nowadays) of course a dead end, so every train arriving there must terminate and return whence it came, either via Glossop or direct to Dinting. Normally (ie outside the peaks) the Manchester/Hadfield services all run via Glossop with one reversal there. Except, unlike most journeys into and out of a terminus these trains keep the same reporting number. i.e. it is the same service. The Train is not Manchester to Hadfield, It is Manchester to Manchester via Glossop & Hadfield. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, melmerby said: Except, unlike most journeys into and out of a terminus these trains keep the same reporting number. i.e. it is the same service. The Train is not Manchester to Hadfield, It is Manchester to Manchester via Glossop & Hadfield. Thanks. I wonder why trains on that particular route are treated like that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 19/10/2019 at 09:06, rab said: Although closed now, trains from Wadebridge to Bodmin Road reversed at Bodmin General. They still do on the preserved line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, caradoc said: Thanks. I wonder why trains on that particular route are treated like that ? Possibly to save confusion? If you are on the train at Glossop you could be from Manchester waiting to get off at Hadfield, equally you might have just got on and be going to Manchester (via Hadfield). So it is a bit like a circular service but with a very small triangle to go around! Edited October 22, 2019 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted October 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, melmerby said: Except, unlike most journeys into and out of a terminus these trains keep the same reporting number. i.e. it is the same service. The Train is not Manchester to Hadfield, It is Manchester to Manchester via Glossop & Hadfield. I'm completely guessing here but could that be something to do with the fact that the train traverses every side of the Dinting triangle? Therefore passengers for Glossop to Manchester will be travelling on the same train at the same time as passengers from Manchester to Hadfield. The service can't therefore terminate at either Glossop or Hadfield because there will be passengers travelling through both stations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 How could I forget Maidenhead - Marlow reversing at Bourne End! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2019 Glasgow Central Several services call there going from one place to another e.g. 1C52 Ayr to Edinburgh via Glasgow Central (platform 7) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Can anyone confirm, If you travel on the Golden Valley line from Swindon I think the train reverses at Gloucester before continuing, I think i did the trip and it was an HST125. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just remembered that GW trains for Yealmpton reversed at Plymouth Friary (LSWR &Southern). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 Although Georgemas station has been mentioned, Inverness requires reversal if a stopping train is going on to the far North or Kyle lines. I don't think there are any Scheduled to do this anymore. but the facility is still there... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Inverness/@57.4813001,-4.2242505,593m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x488f715b2d17de2b:0x624309d12e3ec43d!8m2!3d57.477773!4d-4.224721 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pandora said: Can anyone confirm, If you travel on the Golden Valley line from Swindon I think the train reverses at Gloucester before continuing, I think i did the trip and it was an HST125. Trains do reverse at Gloucester see this GWR service 1L36 Cheltenham to Paddington: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C20637/2019-10-23/detailed and 2M97 Southampton to Malvern: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22943/2019-10-23/detailed Edited October 23, 2019 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2019 How could I forget The Pines Express, reversing at Bath Queens Square, later Green Park? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 This an interesting one From Kyle of Lochalsh to Boat of Garten (GBRF) Diesel loco and coaches. From Kyle it by-passes Inverness station to Milburn Junction, then reverses back into Inverness Platform 2. From there it goes on to Aviemore, where it again reverses, up the Speyside line to Boat of Garten. 1H81 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P94065/2019-10-23/detailed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanGe Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Two of my favourite locations:- How about Paddington -Birkenhead trains ( and return journeys ) reversing at Chester? And still today, trains between Liskeard and Looe reversing at Coombe junction? regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 It just occurred to me that Limerick Junction in Ireland was a station where trains reversed, and back in the day when most were loco hauled, some of them literally backed up as opposed to changing ends. I believe the track layout and signalling has recently been modernised to overcome the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2019 Many years ago, I caught a Poole/Bournemouth to Glasgow/Edinburgh Service, which reversed at Reading and Birmingham New St. There was just a little confusion as the guard tried to explain which portion was the front, had been the rear, and prior to that, the front again, and which portion was going where, and vice versa. The Buffet was still in the middle of the train, though. After three attempts he gave up. Rrgards Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2019 And technically the Edinburgh portion would reverse again at Carstairs, while the Glasgow portion went off to Central! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2019 Years ago, when I was a child, I had a few trips from Plymouth to Penrith, reversing (IIRC) at Gloucester and Birmingham New Street. I took me ages to convince myself that we weren't just going back the way we'd come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Sorry to be pedantic, but a Poole-Glasgow and Edinburgh via the WCML service would not need to reverse at Birmingham New St, unless it arrived or departed via a convoluted route ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, caradoc said: Sorry to be pedantic, but a Poole-Glasgow and Edinburgh via the WCML service would not need to reverse at Birmingham New St, unless it arrived or departed via a convoluted route ! Entering via the West Suburban line and exiting towards Wolves? Brain not in gear. Can only enter via Proof House, it's possible it exits the same way and goes via Aston and Bescot to Wolves. Some XC trains still reverse in Birmingham to get to/from the NE e.g. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P38739/2019-10-24/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P38492/2019-10-24/detailed Edited October 24, 2019 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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