snowy1051 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Hello, I came across a Mike Roach photo of 41224 working a passenger train at Cole on the S & D in 1965. Now, 41224 was originally fitted with PP gear, the picture shows no such equipment, except a hole in the front buffer beam. I realise that by 1965 all PP trains had ceased, so any idea when the PP equipment may have been removed. I can only surmise that it may well have happened at the locos last works visit. I have 2 of these locos on my layout working PP trains, but if I "move" the date I operate at from early 50's to early 60's should I do the same?? Must credit Mike Roach with the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) LMS equipment was different to that used by the SR and GWR. IIRC it was removed when the locos were transferred away from the LMR, although Rail online has a picture of one at Torrington with LMS equipment still in place. Edited February 21, 2020 by TheSignalEngineer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) From other photos it looks as if most of those remaining on the LMR kept the equipment. One was photographed on the Edgeley scrap line c1967 with it still intact, so no problem running them in the 1960s on an LMR layout. Edited February 21, 2020 by TheSignalEngineer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardman Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 They weren't all removed. Here's two. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy1051 Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 many thanks to Yardman for the pictures. Any dates and locations please? I se that 41285 still has the early BR crest. Thanks, Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Radford Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Google "Tutbury Jinny". This is the best result I got - https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/tag/tutbury/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 21/02/2020 at 08:58, Yardman said: They weren't all removed. Here's two. Carlisle, 41217 Platform 1, 41285 passing Crown Street goods - both probably on station pilot duties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardman Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 21 hours ago, snowy1051 said: many thanks to Yardman for the pictures. Any dates and locations please? I se that 41285 still has the early BR crest. Thanks, Gordon. Both photos taken on 24/04/1965 at Carlisle Citadel. Both tanks on ecs working and pilot duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Does anybody do the P/P equipment for this model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 14 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said: Does anybody do the P/P equipment for this model? If I remember correctly, the LMS vacuum controlled "motor system" was reasonably standardised, and there were drawings in a mid-1960s edition of Railway Modeller which helped with my "motor fitted" 7mm 3F tank (Jinty). . I may have a scan of the drawing somewhere. . Brian R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Alan Gibson do them. http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/ 4M757 Push/pull gear Jason Edited February 23, 2020 by Steamport Southport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I've looked into this before and came to the conclusion that the AGW pull push gear was different to the one used on the Ivatts Cheers 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy1051 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 Here is a shot of the Bachmann PP fitted Ivatt 2MTT. Compared to the shot of 41224 above, in removal of the PP gear it appears that the steam pipe arrangement has been altered too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2020 The pipe to the vacuum brake ejector was also different on the P-P version 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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