Tortuga Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Popped up on my FB too a couple of days ago. Looks to be mounted on an old 6-wheel tender frame (centre wheels removed) - possibly Webb? I like the “buffer stop” in front - doubt that would survive a heavy shunt! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Not a Webb tender, but probably a McConnell version as used on the Bloomers. There were two versions, the short wheelbase type used originally and the Webb modified LWB version used with the Bloomers when the locos were rebuilt by Webb. I believe some were adapted for use in later life as water carriers on the C&HPR. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted October 25, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, jwealleans said: Morning, Forgive me if this is something you know already (I haven't read the whole thread) but it came up on the wife's Facebook this morning and this thread came to mind: Caption: A somewhat scratched but (I think) historic shot from my September 1962 trip to the Cromford and High Peak. This is the Middleton Top stationary boiler, apparently an ancient LNWR 0-6-0. I was amazed to find it in steam; I don't recollect many shots where it was, but I'm probably wrong! My (Halina 35x) photograph. Photographer's name was Ian Krause. Thanks for flagging up. I’ve already commented on the FB post about its origins. DX boiler on a 4 wheeler McConnell tender chassis. Jay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted October 25, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2023 52 minutes ago, Jol Wilkinson said: Not a Webb tender, but probably a McConnell version as used on the Bloomers. There were two versions, the short wheelbase type used originally and the Webb modified LWB version used with the Bloomers when the locos were rebuilt by Webb. I believe some were adapted for use in later life as water carriers on the C&HPR. You’re quite right Jol. A number of McConnell and also Webb tenders were used supplying hamlets, the reservoir at Middleton Top and locomotives. Here’s my attempts at modeling some. Under construction on my other layout: A finished one with exFurness 10t brake: Finally a Webb tender cobbled together from whitemetal parts: 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted October 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Tortuga said: I like the “buffer stop” in front - doubt that would survive a heavy shunt! Is that not an improvised raised platform, from which to clean the smokebox? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 58 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Is that not an improvised raised platform, from which to clean the smokebox? Probably! I think this photo confirms it. There was never a proper buffer stop on the end of the shed road. When the engine house boilers were still in use, a wagon load of wood was regularly parked here, providing fuel. As this photo shows, there was a simple scotch made from an old sleeper, shored up with ash ballast. Nothing sophisticated here! Apologies for the poor quality of the photo - copy of a copy! 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, JustinDean said: Thanks for flagging up. I’ve already commented on the FB post about its origins. DX boiler on a 4 wheeler McConnell tender chassis. Jay Hi Justin, I think it is a six wheel McConnell tender underframe with the centre axle, axle boxes and springs removed. The giveaway is the cutout above the centre axle guides where the spring was located. Are your four wheel water cart underframes shortened six wheel ones (possibly cut down LWB type) or did McConnell design/build any four wheel versions? I can't find any photos of McConnell four wheeled tenders. Jol 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 5 hours ago, cctransuk said: Is that not an improvised raised platform, from which to clean the smokebox? Hence the quotation marks! 😜 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted October 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tortuga said: Hence the quotation marks! 😜 Just trying to be helpful. CJI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted October 25, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: Hi Justin, I think it is a six wheel McConnell tender underframe with the centre axle, axle boxes and springs removed. The giveaway is the cutout above the centre axle guides where the spring was located. Are your four wheel water cart underframes shortened six wheel ones (possibly cut down LWB type) or did McConnell design/build any four wheel versions? I can't find any photos of McConnell four wheeled tenders. Jol Hi Jol, Yes center wheels were removed so tenders could be worked on the inclines. As for the ‘4 wheel’ short wheelbase tenders I’m afraid my knowledge doesn’t stretch to their origins! A cursory internet search doesn’t reveal any evidence of a 4 wheel tender existing so that would suggest a ‘cut & shut’. Jay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: Hi Justin, I think it is a six wheel McConnell tender underframe with the centre axle, axle boxes and springs removed. The giveaway is the cutout above the centre axle guides where the spring was located. Are your four wheel water cart underframes shortened six wheel ones (possibly cut down LWB type) or did McConnell design/build any four wheel versions? I can't find any photos of McConnell four wheeled tenders. Jol Hi Jol, The authoritative work on this is an article in the HMRS Journal written by Harry Jack and J R Hollick, which lists the CHP water tanks as follows: Nos 1-4 Canada Works four-wheeled tender frames Nos 5,7,9,11,14,15 McConnell four-wheeled tender frames Nos 16, 17 McConnell six-wheeled tender frames, on four wheels Nos 18,19 Webb six-wheeled tenders reduced to four-wheelers So the McConnell four-wheelers were actually the most numbered tenders on the list. Regards, Geraint 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Reading some additional notes in the Jack & Hollick article, it appears that there was strong 'circumstantial evidence' that the frames used to support the DX boiler were those from tank number 17. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post JustinDean Posted October 25, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 The driver of 68013 contemplates the history of the tenders he’s about to pick up at the top of the incline at Middleton Top. 15 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted October 29, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2023 Another weekend and another J94. I’m going a little further with this old Dapol model: Rear of the cab has been replaced, new spectacle plates front and rear with the front windows enlarged, rear bunker ladder, smokebox dart, backhead details and reverser lever and rod. Still to go: lamp irons, steps, buffer beams and buffers. Then the loco will get a respray, new numbers, couplers, coal and crew. 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 23 hours ago, JustinDean said: Still to go: lamp irons, steps, buffer beams and buffers. And chimberley? 😉 Steve S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: And chimberley? 😉 Steve S Who's she? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted October 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2023 Victoria Wood's pal 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted October 31, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2023 Almost ready for paint…. 14 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 That's quite a transformation, look forward to seeing it painted and weathered. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post JustinDean Posted November 3, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2023 68013 simmers by Middleton Top shed this Friday evening. …still there coming back down from Middleton Moor. Meanwhile someone’s dropped there nuts on the timbers at the top of the incline. Ive been taking my time over this part of the layout. Adding in some DAS clay, then adding some timbers in. Some of this is still loose while I trim to fit. Foliage slowly creeping in along that back wall in various layers. Dry stone walking needs a lot of work in the foreground! Jay 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 How are you doing your drystone walling Jay? Both Whaley Shunt and Alsop are going to have that Derbyshire type of walling (a LOT in the case of Whaley) and I’m not sure how best to go about it… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted November 5, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 03/11/2023 at 16:48, Tortuga said: How are you doing your drystone walling Jay? Both Whaley Shunt and Alsop are going to have that Derbyshire type of walling (a LOT in the case of Whaley) and I’m not sure how best to go about it… A mixture of techniques. Some of it is made up from cast sections I bought off eBay. Some scribed DAS and some individual stones. There’s a lot of wall on Middleton Top and life is short. Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted November 5, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2023 The J94 has been attacked by rattle cans this afternoon. More work will commence on this later on the week. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted November 5, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2023 Looks very nice Jay! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 08/10/2023 at 21:28, JustinDean said: along with improving the sillouhette of the chassis. Hi Justin ~ just re-reading through your Dapol J94 improvements and am intrigued what you did regarding the above, as you don’t mention anything in your write up? Steve S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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