APOLLO Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 From this interesting site http://www.bagejohn.webspace.virginmedia.com/River%20Tyne%20Handbook%201937%20Index.htm Brit15 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarkC Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's amazing how things have changed in the last 35 years. Same with pretty much all UK ports, of course. Contraction/closure of the port facilities and the building of overpriced waterfront housing... Mind you, if, when I moved to 'Sheels' in late 1978, someone had told me that in less than 35 years we would see coal being IMPORTED into Tyne Dock, I would have laughed in their face... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 That IS an interesting site! It's easy for us younger folk to forget how much went on along the banks of the Tyne. Also spotted on that site (and further up river) is a nice pic of Dunston Co-op flour mill where my grandfather was chief accountant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Been hqving a read up on the tyne arches there. Shame they were demolished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Interesting piece on that site too about the reasons for the decline in UK shipbuilding. Basically the familiar sequence of mismanagement, rifts in industrial relations and indifference from successive governments that you can apply to most of Britain's long lost heavy industries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raised On Steam Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Slightly cheerier - I found these when I was rooting around the former TD track bed past the allotments between Washington station as was and what is now Asda's backyard. Any thoughts what they are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Any thoughts what they are? Probably supports for the Sunderland to Washington chemical Works seawater pipe. It followed the route of the railway. P Edited September 16, 2014 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpster Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Please excuse me if this is not appropriate for this thread, but I am particularly interested in the Consett iron-ore traffic previous to BR, (much though I admire the 9Fs). I presume in the late 40's the ex MOS steel hoppers (with a thicker plate than the 'normal' LNER 21t hoppers) were used. Does anyone have any evidence of what was used previously to those vehicles becoming available? Consett was importing iron ore from Spain from at least the 1870s That's an interesting question and one to which I don't know the answer. I assume you must have some photos somewhere of pre-56-ton hopper iron ore trains, Porcy? Can you recall what formed the trains? And as for those pipe supports, would the seawater pipe to the chemical works (which I assume is the same one that went over the Queen Alexandra Bridge in Sunderland?) have gone beyond Washington station and up into the 'v' of the junction? On the subject of Washington Chemical Works, there are some fantastic photos of the works (and the station) on the Britain from Above website (you need to register or log-in to be able to zoom in and see the detail). For example: http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw016389 Arp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Arps My 1951 Port of Sunderland handbook has some rather nice pics of iron ore being unloaded into MOT 21T hoppers...probably taken in the late 40s as they are still in faded MOT livery...who else had a blast furnace in North Durham at this time apart from Consett? The book also shows chrome ore being imported and loaded into open wagons (a high sided SR 13T and a standard looking 13T open)...I'm sure Porcy will tell us where that was going to... Cheers Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 http://www.northeastfilmarchive.com/videos/14055/raw-material-finished-product-1932 ...how about this from Teesside in the early 30s Duncan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 http://www.northeastfilmarchive.com/videos/12758/end-era ...or even this...skip to the end and watch the lad taking a hopper wagon for a walk...Cleveland this time mind... Duncan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Arps The book also shows chrome ore being imported and loaded into open wagons (a high sided SR 13T and a standard looking 13T open)...I'm sure Porcy will tell us where that was going to... Probably any works that manufactured stainless or specialist steels. Feasibly a brickworks that made Chromate Magnesium refractory bricks or even the Eaglescliffe Chemical Co that became British Chrome Ltd, (In 1954 I think) manufacturers of Chromate Chemicals, that had a multitude of uses... To the query re wagons used prior to the 56 tonners, the original official write up on the introduction of them, I'm sure gave a potted history of wagons used previously but I'm bu**ered if I can find my copy of it at the mo. Will report back if and when... Oh! and there is probably something in "Railways of North West Durham" by Whittle. P Edited September 18, 2014 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 Some good links there, thanks. Found this on the same site : http://www.northeastfilmarchive.com/videos/17533/men-consett Some colour footage of 92063 leaving Tyne Dock from 13:00 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpster Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I'll have a look in Whittle the next time I'm over at my dad's, Porcy. Thanks for the pointers.Thanks for the links, Duncan. I'm so pleased that NERA are starting to put embedded digital versions of their films on the website now - it's a real treasure trove!'Men of Consett' is a brilliant film. If you can overlook Tom Stobart and the hilariously 'natural' dialogue with the actual workers, it is a great portrait of the steel works. And the footage of the furnaces is incredible! It's available on the BFI Steel boxed set if anyone is interested:http://www.bfi.org.uk/blu-rays-dvds/working-life-steelArp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpster Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 p.s. Where's that station at the end of 'Men of Consett'? In the description it says "probably Rowley" but it seems to be a 7-coach train and I can't work out what kind of engine is pulling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) If you can overlook Tom Stobart and the hilariously 'natural' dialogue with the actual workers And his family connections to steel... and the obvious anti nationalisation bias. (the film was commissioned as an anti nationalisation vehicle) and the impression that all Consett men dressed in tweeds and went salmon fishing on their copious days off... and ... and ... To be fair a good few men in the then private coal industry were anti nationalisation as some of the employers were classed as good employers providing many benefits for miners families and communities. P Edited September 18, 2014 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpster Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yes, the anti-nationalisation rhetoric even crops up at the end where he's "talking" to the engine driver about "them painting it black" - a clear reference to British Railways coming in and ruining it!Arp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 p.s. Where's that station at the end of 'Men of Consett'? In the description it says "probably Rowley" but it seems to be a 7-coach train and I can't work out what kind of engine is pulling it. Arp Its has a London Midland feel about it...is that co-acting signal of LNWR origin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The loco looks to me like either a Stanier or Fairburn 2-6-4T For anybody who is interested I've a sequence of photographs in my gallery explaining the open hearth steel making process as featured in the film. Here's a link to the first image; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/10011-iron-to-steel-1/ Excuse the odd characters appearing in some of the captions, they appeared following one of the site's software changes. One day I'll get around to adding a sequence covering iron making! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I am particularly interested in the Consett iron-ore traffic previous to BR, (much though I admire the 9Fs). I presume in the late 40's the ex MOS steel hoppers (with a thicker plate than the 'normal' LNER 21t hoppers) were used. Does anyone have any evidence of what was used previously to those vehicles becoming available? In "A History of British Railway's North Eastern Railway" (NERA) there's a good article on the 1953 modernisation and operation of the 56 ton bogie hoppers. It also refers to the 21T MoT hoppers were used prior to this, in trains of 22 wagons and brake van, hauled by a Q7 and banked by similar from South Pelaw. No mention is made of earlier stock though. Edited September 18, 2014 by kenw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The aftermath of a derailment at South Pelaw Junction in September 1979 when a pair of Class 37's returning from Consett with an empty ore train came off the rails negotiating the junction for the Washington line and came to a stop just short of the signal box. (Photos copyright Colin Brewes used with permission) Note in the first photo just above the first wagon that the lines that allowed trains to and from Ouston Junction access to the sidings at Stella Gill have been severed. John Edited September 19, 2014 by johndon 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Work starts to demolish the bridge that carries the road over the line at Leadgate on Monday... John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Work starts to demolish the bridge that carries the road over the line at Leadgate on Monday... Seem to recall a lot of criticism of the local councils at the time of closure over their haste in ensuring the trackbed was never going to be re-usable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Work starts to demolish the bridge that carries the road over the line at Leadgate on Monday... John I wonder what will happen to the Stone??? P Edited September 24, 2014 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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