Nearholmer Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 Good thing she listened to her mum about keeping her head warm in cold weather - wouldn't want her catching a chill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: Exactly, but if everyone who wants it has it then all is good. As vaccine is the path we have chosen, the sooner folk have it, the sooner the young generation can get on with enjoying themselves and having full young lives. The damage we are doing to them at the moment is unforgivable in my view. The young undoubtedly have it tough at the moment but Covid restrictions are only a small and temporary percentage of the difficulties they face. Unaffordable housing, student debt and insecure employment are enduring problems which have been there for years and will outlast the current restrictions. I get cheesed off by those who hold the levers of power citing concern for the young or the mental health of the nation as reasons to reduce or abandon restrictions when they have done nothing to address these issues over the time that they have held office. 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 The young are being thrown under the bus. The things you state are just dilemmas compared to loss of liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: The young are being thrown under the bus. The things you state are just dilemmas compared to loss of liberty. Which will, hopefully return sooner or later. Death is somewhat more permanent. 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, vaughan45 said: Presumably those who believe Covid-19 is only a mild illness will not be requiring a vaccination then, when their turn comes. I was going to say this is useful as it ensures those doses won't be wasted, but unfortunately it means they could still be a source of infection for others. Well it makes sense to put those who are only likely to get it mildly at the end of the queue for vaccination in order to make the most of the vaccine, since we can't give it to everyone at the same time. I'm quite happy to get vaccinated in order to help get this over and done with ASAP. I'm not really concerned with the risks of getting Covid personally because I'm unlikely to be seriously affected, as you say it's about the chances of passing it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 17, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: The young are being thrown under the bus. More emotive phraseology which makes me wonder if we're being played. We're all living behind the sofa and suffering loss of liberties, privileges and freedoms, some losing lives and livelihoods but all ages, genders, religions and races have to work collectively to get to a better place, together. No-one wants to harm one group to the benefit of another so drop the wild narrative please. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: The young are being thrown under the bus. The things you state are just dilemmas compared to loss of liberty. Really? You sure you're not exploiting 'the plight of the young' as cover for your own disgruntlement at having to do the socially responsible thing for a few months? 7 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: The young are being thrown under the bus. The things you state are just dilemmas compared to loss of liberty Ah, now, talking about the young only in that context is sophistry: everyone is suffering loss of liberty. Where I do thinks it’s fair to hold-up the young as being uniquely damaged is through mangled educations, and for children and youngsters up to about 16, or possibly 18, and crippled social-interactions, which damage their development. So, thank the good Lord the end of that is in sight. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 No, just putting my children's mental and physical health first which is what we should do in all instances in my view. We are the past, they are the future. I can't see a single reason to support the limitation on education, sports, play, music, bars and clubs for young people. That is the very essence of living a healthy life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 17, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: We are the past, they are the future. I can't see a single reason to support the limitation on education, sports, play, music, bars and clubs for young people That does it for me, you have got to be baiting us. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: I can't see a single reason to support the limitation on education, sports, play, music, bars and clubs for young people. !!!!!!!!! Stu 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaughan45 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) Personal freedom an illusionary concept - Discuss? Nope - at the moment my mind is on what to build on the 4' x 2' micro baseboard I seem to have acquired Edited January 17, 2021 by vaughan45 Levity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 6 hours ago, vaughan45 said: Just to clarify - The figure I quote is based on a personal risk assessment by a consultant for myself taking into account my respiratory and other conditions, so has not been misquoted - It came as a result of a particularly candid telephone consultation part way through lockdown one and was something of a shock. For the population at large the risk will vary according to an individuals own circumstances, although I agree that that when you take an average across all age groups, socio-economic groups etc. the risk is quoted as 5%. Sorry, I mis-read earlier, which Dagworth noticed. I thought you were referring to general figures rather than those for someone with a lung inefficiency of some kind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 C 19 might be a mild virus but let us remember that the first eskimo to land in England died after catching the common cold. Any virus can befatal if you have no prior contact with it 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 hours ago, billbedford said: I thought you "entitlement" was three score and ten? Just a target........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post slow8dirty Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, Clagmeister said: No, just putting my children's mental and physical health first which is what we should do in all instances in my view. We are the past, they are the future. I can't see a single reason to support the limitation on education, sports, play, music, bars and clubs for young people. That is the very essence of living a healthy life. It's a point. My 5 yr old has struggled with all this lockdown hassle, and we have had to work hard to help her, but it will be a relief for things to return to normality for her. BUT she will recover. I have posted earlier of effects of this virus on my family but didn't expand because it's not woe is me at slow8dirty towers and plenty of others have had similar or worse, however I will now explain why the tone of your post is winding me up and probably others. My local town saw very little indication of a pandemic for most of last year, I even asked of friends, does anyone actually know anyone who's caught it yet? In September a work colleague caught it along with his partner and their 2 young children, they were all "mild" but he did say he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemy(took that to mean me), but the main lesson learnt was that our measures at work seemed to be working as no one else caught it. Just before Christmas turbo corona decided to visit town, and it entered the care home where my better half works( almost certainly due to staff members mixing outside of work), end result she was positive before and Myself and the youngest were positive on Christmas day. Summary; Youngest had a sniffle and a bad cough but plenty of energy, teenage son probably asymptomatic as well all way through. I was very unwell but ultimately stayed in the "mild" range of symptoms. A chance comment by her GP led to my other half checking her O2 stats as she seemed to go down hill at the 7-10 day mark. A call to NHS direct for advice and 20 minutes later an ambulance has taken her away and I'm wondering if I'll ever see her again until we started to get some information back. Also her parents were hospitalised with her mother narrowly escaping being intubated. Thank god for us all will pull through, but I know of at least three deaths on the ward when my mrs was in there. Its a smallish town, but with a bit of effort I can list up 60 people that I know (either well or in passing) that had it to a greater or lesser degree. And the effect on my Mrs' work, 95% of staff off work for several weeks and 16 care residents dead, but they don't count because they had their had their lives behind them. Lets open things up, its only mild. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, vaughan45 said: Presumably those who believe Covid-19 is only a mild illness will not be requiring a vaccination then, when their turn comes. I was going to say this is useful as it ensures those doses won't be wasted, but unfortunately it means they could still be a source of infection for others. They are easy to recognise, the’re the ones crossing the road to the vaccination centre blindfold...... Edited January 17, 2021 by boxbrownie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: Finding a use for the green bin during winter. A friend of mine is very keen on open water swimming. When we had a small amount of snow the other day she half filled the bin and turned it into an acclimatization chamber. Bernard I take it it wasn’t bin day then? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Clagmeister said: bars and clubs for young people. That is the very essence of living a healthy life. That’s the bit....... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Clagmeister said: bars and clubs for young people. That is the very essence of living an unhealthy life. Fixed it for you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, AY Mod said: More emotive phraseology which makes me wonder if we're being played. That's OK then as fishing is allowed. It looks to me more like getting near time to saddle up the billy goat. I fear that our friend has no experience of loss of liberty nor of the tings that make up that liberty. I wrote some time ago about being in Nepal and having to use a bucket under the bed as Maoist snipers were waiting for a light to come on. I also have some experience of life in various communist countries. A dose of real loss of liberty might open his eyes a bit. In the real world we are just going through some minor short term hick ups. There re no restrictions on buying or playing with model trains. In a world where many millions of people do not get enough to eat nor have any chance of an education, the restriction of being able to go to the pub or a concert is a very minor issue. Bernard 3 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Oldddudders said: ... many people use it to describe a heavy cold. There is a very considerable difference in my experience ... It used to be that you knew it really was 'flu if you failed the Ten Bob Note Test. I suppose it's the Fifty Quid Test now ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I had a dose of something very much like what we now know as Covid 19 , but it was over the Christmas of 2019 (so, at least in theory it was something else). I was effectively feverishly delirious or unconscious on the sofa for 3 days, nobly managed to crawl into work on the 27th and could barely manage to get up the stairs. It wasn't so much a shortness of breath, as just not being able to breath! I spent the next three days back in bed. Whatever it was that caused the ailment, it certainly wasn't mild! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 My assumption is that our late correspondent has been penned-up at home for weeks on end with several teenage off-spring. My son hasn’t got ‘severe teenagerness’, but even he alternates between moping about in a foul mood, playing on-line games, and acting the young bullock because he can’t get rid of his energy playing competitive sports. A house-full of teenagers could affect a man’s sense of proportion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Clagmeister said: I haven't got time to worry about such trivialities... Sounds like a line for Geoffrey Palmer, playing General Haig, in Blackadder Four. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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