TomScrut Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, InterCity80s said: Me neither but they list the POS as being the coach coupled to the DVT if that makes any difference? Yeah, could be there's a special connection or something? It's not like the TOE where the end is blanked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 POS was Pullman Open Smoking. There are still the partitions but not the doors from what I remember. Seem to recall the TOE had similar at the loco end of the saloon. Data panels do match the Evesholt website, I have photos of each panel type somewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guarded Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 hours ago, InterCity80s said: These ones: Thank you!So that A and B variation completes the coaches I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said: POS was Pullman Open Smoking. There are still the partitions but not the doors from what I remember. Seem to recall the TOE had similar at the loco end of the saloon. Data panels do match the Evesholt website, I have photos of each panel type somewhere. I'd go along with that. The first few refurbs had a swing door splitting the TOE into smoking and non smoking but the law changed in Scotland quite a while ahead of the ban on smoking indoors in England so GNER had to fall into line with the rest of the world (having retained smoking longer than most, if not all) and ban smoking, so the doors were either not fitted or removed on later refurbs. SV became so ingrained in the mindset on ECML that some referred to the HST 407xx as SV, which of course it was never classified as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydgaled Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 9 hours ago, guarded said: Thank you!So that A and B variation completes the coaches I take it? Apparently yes; I was told earlier (I think in this topic) that there should be R40156, R40156A and R40156B which should give you three of the ten vehicles (nine coaches plus the DVT) needed to make a full mark 4 set. We think/hope that the descriptions given on the image are incorrect (coach letters were different and the SV (kitchen) was first class not standard) and the actual models will be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warringtonbankquay Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Hornby appear to have revised the listings for the TfW Mark 4 coaches on their web site. The listings shown on the 5 January launch just didn't make sense for a TfW rake, with spurious coach letters, types and descriptions. They seem to have dropped R40184 (coach type K), R40186 (coach type M), R40187B (coach type D) and R40188 (coach type F). The remaining models have also been allocated proposed coach running numbers. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Looks like they have made a couple of other changes too. There are now Coach As in the BR and GNER liveries and the matching restaurant cars are now first class (the LNER one is still standard class). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 The BR coaches now seem to be: BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach A, - R40191 BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach C - R40156A BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach D - R40156B BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach E - R40156 BR, Mk4 Standard (accessible toilet), Coach F - R40159 BR, Mk4 Restaurant First, Coach G, - R40160 BR, Mk4 Open First, Coach H, - R40152 BR, Mk4 Open First, Coach K, - R40154 BR, Mk4 DVT - R40161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Wonder where Coach B has gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, InterCity80s said: Wonder where Coach B has gone? Well it's usually the quiet one so probably slipped off somewhere never to be heard of again Graham 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow MRC Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Hornby have announced corrections to their 2021 range of new tooled MK4 coaches in Transport for Wales Livery as these are formed into 4 coach plus Driving Van Trailer (DVT) sets. https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/n/32/Hornby-amend-Transport-for-Wales-Mk4-coaches-included-within-their-2021-range 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, InterCity80s said: Wonder where Coach B has gone? To do a 9 coach IC they’d need to add a R40156C I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydgaled Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 23 hours ago, InterCity80s said: Wonder where Coach B has gone? 20 hours ago, Global said: To do a 9 coach IC they’d need to add a R40156C I think? The original (uncorrected) image listed an R40153, but the Hornby website is now showing an R40156C instead as you suggest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Cheers. That wasn't there yesterday so now we have the full rake: BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach A - R40191 BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach B - R40156C BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach C - R40156A BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach D - R40156B BR, Mk4 Standard, Coach E - R40156 BR, Mk4 Standard (accessible toilet), Coach F - R40159 BR, Mk4 Restaurant First, Coach G - R40160 BR, Mk4 Open First, Coach H - R40152 BR, Mk4 Open First, Coach K - R40154 BR, Mk4 DVT - R40161 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 There's a coach B for the GNER rake now too: GNER, Mk4 Standard, Coach B - R40166C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamphillip Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I'm looking forwards to these, should be nice having a full 225 set 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Latest Engine Shed article has some CAD work of the standard end, buffet, and DVT coaching stock! https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/great-gresleys-stunning-shunters-and-complex-coaches Cheers to Brucey for the headsup on this. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just incase the website is down or slow to load at any time, here's the a few CAD images posted in this months TES blog. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Wheels seem to have quite large flanges, hopefully not a repeat of the mk3sds. With casting issues etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXDH92 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 They look generally very good. Two improvements i can think of is a removable valance on the DVT with an NEM pocket for a coupling on the front (looks like they are not looking to do this just like their mk3 dvt). And... the windows on the carriage doors look too square to me. Otherwise, looking good (although I'm not an expert on mk4s)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Class 158 productions said: Wheels seem to have quite large flanges, hopefully not a repeat of the mk3sds. With casting issues etc Not sure how you can tell from a cad what the spec is of a flange... Edited January 28, 2021 by Ian Fisher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CazRail Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, daveahudson said: They look generally very good. Two improvements i can think of is a removable valance on the DVT with an NEM pocket for a coupling on the front (looks like they are not looking to do this just like their mk3 dvt). And... the windows on the carriage doors look too square to me. Otherwise, looking good (although I'm not an expert on mk4s)! The same two things I picked up on. Other than that we can look forward to a pretty impressive set of models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Class 158 productions said: Wheels seem to have quite large flanges, hopefully not a repeat of the mk3sds. With casting issues etc When it comes to CAD, unless there's something obviously different with the wheels (like those used on the generic 4/6 wheeled coaches), they'll most likely use a stock file which doesn't necessarily reflect what will be used (like their stock wheelsets, assuming the Mk4s don't have disc brakes on the outer). Furthermore since the only clear CAD image showing the wheels is the last one portraying the DVT has no light source, it is hard to make any judgements on depth. I can clearly see why you think it has deep flanges. But to a CAD designer, I can clearly see three faces and a fine flange, but it may look like 2 faces and a deep flange to an untrained or inexperienced eye. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonsteel Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The coaches are looking brilliant, including the DVT; high hopes for a good quality product to have a little display set. I was wondering about the TSOE though. Shouldn't these coaches have roof vents near the blanking plate? Cannot remember if they are together or offset, keep getting confused between the standard smoking vents and the first class vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2021 Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but Hornby Magazines webpage says Hornby has revised the coaching stock available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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