RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) The new episode of "Signal Box" on YouTube mentions the Lion release but does not show any image of Lion. Instead it shows a still from the Titfield Thunderbolt featuring 1401 and a poster for the film. Strange, when Hornby don't have the rights for the film tie-in... What's wrong with promoting Lion as Lion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNe29h3wAo Edited March 19, 2021 by Harlequin 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Harlequin said: The new episode of "Signal Box" on YouTube mentions the Lion release but does not show any image of Lion. Why, it's almost as if they'd announced something they'd barely started work on Edited March 19, 2021 by Edwardian spelling! 2 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Why, it's almost as if they'd announced something they'd barely started work on Splits the market before there is anything to see! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, WisTramwayMan said: It would be very nice to match up with the Model Rail / Rapido J70s as well. That increases the possibility of a W&U coach IMHO as it would increase the sales potential. And it will also go with the J15 (Tiptree branch). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Given they think old coaches have oddly shaped buffer heads maybe they think 1401 is Lion 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) On 19/03/2021 at 17:53, Harlequin said: The new episode of "Signal Box" on YouTube mentions the Lion release but does not show any image of Lion. Instead it shows a still from the Titfield Thunderbolt featuring 1401 and a poster for the film. Strange, when Hornby don't have the rights for the film tie-in... What's wrong with promoting Lion as Lion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNe29h3wAo Maybe they are doing a 14xx ? in the video it says it will be launched end of this year or next, next suggests 2022 catalog. But with not even a CAD to show at this stage, I wonder if this is a rush to market job ? Edited March 21, 2021 by adb968008 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 19 hours ago, adb968008 said: in the video it says it will be launched end of this year or next, next suggests 2022 catalog. But with not even a CAD to show at this stage, I wonder if this is a rush to market job ? So young, and yet so cynical? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Edwardian said: So young, and yet so cynical? By the time it's released, they'll be older, wiser, and more hopeful. Edited March 21, 2021 by Compound2632 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Wow How have I missed this I will most certainly pre order one! Hornby I might just email them my bank details ( I am joking please no one do this just my excitement! ) so they can just send anything they make to me I am amazed with what they have announced it is almost as if Hornby ideally eventually will reproduce everything British railway related in the next 20 years! who knows what next will they venture into Narrow gauge?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 08/03/2021 at 17:24, banburysaint said: For me a bucket list locomotive, as i went to Rainhill 150 when i was very small and enjoyed a number of rides behind Lion when she was allowed out to play from Liverpool Museum. Looking back it is remarkable that the loco was restored for use, we were very lucky to see her in steam. 183 years old now. I wonder how many locomotives we are off from being able to recreate Rainhill 150 from ready to run products? One day it could happen with all other manufactures of course Hornby, Bachmann, Dapol, Heljan, Hatton's, Rails etc That would be fantastic to produce a replica layout set of Rainhill Rocket 150! It could be constructed even with the Pylons re created in OO gauge. It could be filmed with an Ultra HD camera and edited with the audio taken from the 1980 BBC TV broadcast. with their permission of course with a copyright disclaimer the original audio is copyrighted by BBC Studios 1980 etc. like you I would love to see a recreation of Rainhill 150 in OO gauge. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 So this beautiful locomotive is due in 2022 I can probably guess the cover artwork for the 2022 catalogue then since Hornby centenary in 2020 and this years 2021 the cover designs this decade has been very beautiful illustrated paintings watercolours drawings prints etc! attached Photo © David Heys collection 2021 | All Rights Reserved. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Compound2632 said: By the time it's released, they'll be older, wiser, and more hopeful. If they're older and wiser, they'll be less hopeful! 2 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofKent Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I wonder whether there are any plans to produce a model of Invicta? It probably doesn't have the same interest as Lion/Thunderbolt but could be quite a good seller. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Edwardian said: So young, and yet so cynical? I’m not that young, I remember riding behind it. (though not in LMR service, unless thats what you mean ). Edited March 22, 2021 by adb968008 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, RyanN91 said: attached Photo © David Heys collection 2021 | All Rights Reserved. InterCity 12.5? 1 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 InterCity 1825 5 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) On 21/03/2021 at 00:08, adb968008 said: Maybe they are doing a 14xx ? in the video it says it will be launched end of this year or next, next suggests 2022 catalog. But with not even a CAD to show at this stage, I wonder if this is a rush to market job ? Yeah the fact that they are not showing CADS would suggest that this is at a very early stage . I think they had intended to do it , but maybe had rested on their laurels a bit much not thinking anyone else would do Era 1 . So getting wind of Rapido , they've rushed announcement out with not much to show . You would have thought they might have stretched to a photograph or a illustration that Ryan N91 has just shown . After all there will be some people , in their fan base, who don't know what Lion looks like . For me there are huge amounts of models to spend money on . I got carried away last year and ordered Rocket . It has been round the layout but looks a bit incongruous sitting beside all my other locos, so now sits in my book case as an expensive ornament . I think its unlikely Lion will be joining her . Edited March 22, 2021 by Legend mixed metaphor! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 9 hours ago, RyanN91 said: So this beautiful locomotive is due in 2022 I can probably guess the cover artwork for the 2022 catalogue then since Hornby centenary in 2020 and this years 2021 the cover designs this decade has been very beautiful illustrated paintings watercolours drawings prints etc! attached Photo © David Heys collection 2021 | All Rights Reserved. Is the lady on the right pregnant? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Legend said: Yeah the fact that they are not showing CADS would suggest that this is at a very early stage . I think they had intended to do it , but maybe had relaxed on their laurels a bit much not thinking anyone else would do Era 1 . So getting wind of Rapido , they've rushed announcement out with not much to show . You would have thought they might have stretched to a photograph or a illustration that Ryan N91 has just shown . After all there will be some people , in their fan base, who don't know what Lion looks like . For me there are huge amounts of models to spend money on . I got carried away last year and ordered Rocket . It has been round the layout but looks a bit incongruous sitting beside all my other locos, so now sits in my book case as an expensive ornament . I think its unlikely Lion will be joining her . Over the years, I have gradually learned to spot locos that are likely receive similar treatment in my hands, though the lessons weren't cheap. I still slip up occasionally but did manage to fight off the temptation of Rocket and that should make it easier to resist Lion as well. Cute little Industrial locos are, unfortunately, another matter entirely. John 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Dunsignalling said: Over the years, I have gradually learned to spot locos that are likely receive similar treatment in my hands, though the lessons weren't cheap. I still slip up occasionally but did manage to fight off the temptation of Rocket and that should make it easier to resist Lion as well. Cute little Industrial locos are, unfortunately, another matter entirely. John Yes been there too . Got the Huntley and Palmers Peckett and Hattons "Katie", lovely to look at , but again a bit out of place . Even succumbed to a L&Y 2-4-2T which is of very limited use . I really need to resist! 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Legend said: Yes been there too . Got the Huntley and Palmers Peckett and Hattons "Katie", lovely to look at , but again a bit out of place . Even succumbed to a L&Y 2-4-2T which is of very limited use . I really need to resist! From the number of people I know who I wouldn't expect to have one, but do (me included), I think the L&Y tank may be the most successful "impulse buy" loco ever produced. Fortunately, mine is in BR livery so a rake of 6-wheel coaches will not be "needed".... Hardwicke is the one I'm currently having a real problem resisting. John Edited March 22, 2021 by Dunsignalling 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 21/03/2021 at 00:08, adb968008 said: Maybe they are doing a 14xx ? in the video it says it will be launched end of this year or next, next suggests 2022 catalog. But with not even a CAD to show at this stage, I wonder if this is a rush to market job ? By Hornby's usual standards it would be a rush job to get it out in 2022 although they might just scrape Q4. And if it is rushed what will be lost in the process or what will be stood aside to give it a clearer run? Although it almost certainly was on Hornby's list it seems to have been some way down it so like the Terrier will they be rushing it through (without even the benefit of someone else's project to help this time)? And will they now update the 14XX because it's 'their' model - even if it was actually Airfix's originally and Hornby have only inherited it? And as for life's temptations how on earth could I resist the H&P Peckett (I didn't), or the Locomotion version of the 'Terrier' and I'll keep quiet about the Stirling Single and the Lanky tank engine. Hornby need to capture that sort of 'irresistible originality'. but it needs people who understand railways and what will be attractive so that they can make a market instead of following it. I would have thought that what Hornby needs is some original thinking - like they managed with the first Peckett and their various subsequent industrials - rather than going down the gazumping avenue. The slice of the cake available to them is shrinking because there are so many newcomers in the marketplace now, often with more agility and original thinking, and going down the duplication road does nobody any good. 4 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: From the number of people I know who I wouldn't expect to have one, but do (me included), I think the L&Y tank may be the most successful "impulse buy" loco ever produced. Fortunately, mine is in BR livery so a rake of 6-wheel coaches will not be "needed".... Hardwicke is the one I'm currently having a real problem resisting. John As well as the above how about the Johnson 1P especially in Midland red just right for a few 6 wheelers! Another to consider the LNWR Coal Tank ! Edited March 22, 2021 by johnd 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, johnd said: As well as the above how about the Johnson 1P especially in Midland red just right for a few 6 wheelers! Mine is BR black and suits my 1958-62 S&D-line interests, in company with my pair of detailed Airfix lavatory non-corridors, marshalled van-inwards..... I don't consider that particular loco needs a fancy paint job to make it irresistible.... John 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Mine is BR black and suits my 1958-62 S&D-line interests, in company with my pair of detailed Airfix lavatory non-corridors, marshalled van-inwards..... I don't consider that particular loco needs a fancy paint job to make it irresistible.... John Agree it stands on its own merit as do all the 1880/90s locos produced. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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