RMweb Gold Tankerman Posted January 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3 (edited) 17 hours ago, Harlequin said: Possibly silvery grey wood and fluffy green and cream visible between the slats. I think I read somewhere that the Cornish called Cauliflowers "Broccoli" and the "broccoli traffic" was, in fact, cauliflowers being sent up to London... Or did I dream that? Could CAD something up for printing... No you didn't dream it, us Cornish did call the early spring Cauliflowers, Broccoli. The first time I was served Broccoli, east of the Tamar, I asked what the green stuff was.🙂 We also called what the rest of the Country knew as a swede, turnips and turnips, white turnips. Cattle wagons were extensively used for the Broccoli and other vegetable traffic. IIRC a lot of them were stored on the sidings at Gwinear Road. Another fact, now long forgotten, is that even in the 1960's, potatoes were sold by the gallon/half gallon (10lb or 5lb) in the local greengrocers. I was told that this was because at one time they were weighed out using a balance weight with a gallon or half gallon bucket filled with water on one end and a basket or bucket with the potatoes on the other. Edited January 3 by Tankerman added detail 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Tankerman said: IIRC a lot of them were stored on the sidings at Gwinear Road. I have often wondered about Gwinear Road and the number of sidings there: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwf/S1084.htm Given how minor the Helston branch always was, with no significant holiday traffic, the sidings seem remarkably extensive. While at St Erth, which served the much busier passenger traffic on the St Ives line they are considerably more modest. Freight has to be the answer and perhaps vegetable traffic the real reason? Not sure what else would have justified the sidings. The photos in the book by Jenkins show lots of vans, a good number of open wagons and in one photo the spare B set of carriages. But if it was vegetables, there would have been long periods when there was little to shift so perhaps the vans were just stored as you say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Wasn't Gwinear Road the terminus of all the mainline pick up goods to and from Penzance? Can't remember where I read that, but it would explain the number of sidings there. David C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, David C said: Wasn't Gwinear Road the terminus of all the mainline pick up goods to and from Penzance? Can't remember where I read that, but it would explain the number of sidings there. Ah! - that would explain things - its not that far from Penzance and the station there being on the sea-front did not have a great deal of space for sidings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 (edited) Can anyone identify this cast iron object that is on the left hand side of Helston's station road? https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1057063,-5.269289,3a,15.2y,31.67h,79.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW1dQm5EDVxvBGxdC8VygIg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu Back in the day it was on the corner of a field where a footpath entered it from station road (Hilcrest Road is a later addition). Edited January 3 by Andy Keane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 As it's been capped off with concrete, I suspect that it's the remains of a stench pipe: https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Stink_pipes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 3 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MrWolf said: stench pipe Oh wow! - that is a fun thing to add to a model. I can feel some more 3D printing coming on unless anyone knows of a ready made source. Given the lie of the land there, it must be for the sewer taking waste from the station toilets - I cannot see any other reason for a sewer to be there - so an absolute must. I wonder if the GWR had their own design? Edited January 3 by Andy Keane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted January 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3 Nothing beats a modeller's enthusiasm! I share it, this is a rare occurrence: You have identified a GWR object for which there is no 3-volume reference work 🙂 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) Unfortunately it is most unlikely to be a sewer gas destructor lamp, just a vent. They're another obscure rabbit hole that were once common in major towns and cities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_gas_destructor_lamp Something that might fit nicely into one of @Mikkel's scenes though! Edited January 3 by MrWolf Added link. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Unfortunately it is most unlikely to be a sewer gas destructor lamp, just a vent. They're another obscure rabbit hole that were once common in major towns and cities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_gas_destructor_lamp Something that might fit nicely into one of @Mikkel's scenes though! There's a famous stench pipe at Brent. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 8 hours ago, David C said: Wasn't Gwinear Road the terminus of all the mainline pick up goods to and from Penzance? Can't remember where I read that, but it would explain the number of sidings there. David C Not as far as I'm aware. They ran to and from Penzance Goods, between Long Rock and Ponsandane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 4 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 9 hours ago, St Enodoc said: There's a famous stench pipe at Brent. It’s a pity all the photos on that topic went in the great collapse. I wonder if somebody could post some here to give me some more images to work from. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pete Haitch Posted January 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 11 hours ago, MrWolf said: They're another obscure rabbit hole that were once common in major towns and cities. Rabbit holes? I've gained the impression that you have the 'full warren' going on (he writes enviously). Only mention it as the other day I was wondering how the rabbits sent from Helston (to Sheffield?) were obtained - farmed, wild caught or traditional warrens maintained by warreners ? Thought the latter would make an interesting (to me) lineside feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 4 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 54 minutes ago, Pete Haitch said: Rabbit holes? I've gained the impression that you have the 'full warren' going on (he writes enviously). Only mention it as the other day I was wondering how the rabbits sent from Helston (to Sheffield?) were obtained - farmed, wild caught or traditional warrens maintained by warreners ? Thought the latter would make an interesting (to me) lineside feature. The nice things about the stench pipe are: 1) there really was one 2) not often seen on models (I don't ever recall seeing one but then maybe I have not noticed them before) 3) tiny foot-print so easy to add I have no idea what a traditional farmed warren might even look like, but I do have a field above the station which current plans are just to be plain grass with a few cows. Do you have a photo? happy new year! Andy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Andy Keane said: The nice things about the stench pipe are: 1) there really was one 2) not often seen on models (I don't ever recall seeing one but then maybe I have not noticed them before) 3) tiny foot-print so easy to add I have no idea what a traditional farmed warren might even look like, but I do have a field above the station which current plans are just to be plain grass with a few cows. Do you have a photo? happy new year! Andy You're going to need a DCC Stink Generator under the baseboard... 😆 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Harlequin said: You're going to need a DCC Stink Generator under the baseboard... 😆 A stale kipper would do the trick, as it did on an N scale model of Mallaig back in the 1970s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 On 01/01/2024 at 18:13, Andy Keane said: Lovely photo - do you know what time of the day this was? Judging (crudely) by the shadows, it seem like early morning. Incidentally, that is Stratton, not Highworth. For Helston milk traffic, my guess is that bogie siphons are too large for the amount of milk traffic. A 6-wheel siphon would probably be adequate, and many churns would probably be carried in the brake compartments of passenger trains. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 4 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 22 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: A 6-wheel siphon Many thanks - that fits well with the photos I have. I don't recall ever seeing a bogie Siphon photo at Helston. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pete Haitch Posted January 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Andy Keane said: I have no idea what a traditional farmed warren might even look like, but I do have a field above the station... This link is to a page which shows remnants of a Dartmoor warren. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2020/08/medieval-rabbit-warrens.html The Plym Valley and NE Cornwall had concentrations of warrens. A number of academic papers refer to warren remains of a warren on the coast a little to the north and west of Helston. I was thinking of a couple of pillow mounds, lots of rabbits, a poacher with nets and ferret, and a drunken warrener asleep behind a tree. As rampant rabbits damage Cornish hedges, I like the idea of a couple of malcontent bucks displacing stones in order to escape. One of the makers of white-metal figures used to have a warrener figure available. Edited January 4 by Pete Haitch Correct link 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted January 4 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 I had no idea - the range of stuff that RMweb spans continues to amaze me! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4 9 hours ago, Andy Keane said: It’s a pity all the photos on that topic went in the great collapse. I wonder if somebody could post some here to give me some more images to work from. Give Sierd @Trains&armour a pm Andy, mention me and see if he can help. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains&armour Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Somebody wanted to raise a stink? Edited January 4 by Trains&armour 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains&armour Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 And found the uncropped image as well: 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 5 hours ago, Pete Haitch said: This link is to a page which shows remnants of a Dartmoor warren. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2020/08/medieval-rabbit-warrens.html The Plym Valley and NE Cornwall had concentrations of warrens. A number of academic papers refer to warren remains of a warren on the coast a little to the north and west of Helston. I was thinking of a couple of pillow mounds, lots of rabbits, a poacher with nets and ferret, and a drunken warrener asleep behind a tree. As rampant rabbits damage Cornish hedges, I like the idea of a couple of malcontent bucks displacing stones in order to escape. One of the makers of white-metal figures used to have a warrener figure available. http://www.warrenhouseinn.co.uk/history.html 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pete Haitch Posted January 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, St Enodoc said: http://www.warrenhouseinn.co.uk/history.html They usually have rabbit pie on the menu complete with a warning that it may include a shot pellet. Last time I had it the stuffing that they put in the pie completely masked any rabbit flavour. 6 hours ago, Andy Keane said: I had no idea - the range of stuff that RMweb spans continues to amaze me! I think the previously mentioned warren near Helston must be at Godolphin. I don't know if there are any physical remains but the NT website states: "A deer park and rabbit warren The hill and many fields were given over to a deer park and rabbit warren. These rabbit breeding grounds were a source of high-status meat and fur. The deer park was used to farm for venison, but also would have been used for hunting as a leisure activity." https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/cornwall/godolphin/history-of-godolphin#rt-a-world-heritage-site Unfortunately the warrener figure I referred to is O scale Edited January 5 by Pete Haitch 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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