KeithMacdonald Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just noticed the CRS images show the loading dock has a distinct curve to it, so this might be better? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 23 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 (edited) 24 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Using the two Flickr images to give position, and the CRS track plan, here's a guestimate of what Nancegollan might have looked like. All suggestions welcome.😀 That looks pretty good to me. I have no idea why they added the extra loop, given it also required an extra road bridge, but it would make a nice model. Maybe it helped with goods traffic, so that there was no need to shunt traffic backwards into the goods bay? Certainly I don’t know of a realistic model of Nancegollan, but perhaps there is one out there somewhere? Edited February 23 by Andy Keane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 23 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Just noticed the CRS images show the loading dock has a distinct curve to it, so this might be better? Do you think that is the grounded coach that is shown on the map? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: Do you think that is the grounded coach that is shown on the map? It certainly could be. With acknowledgements to K.Jenkin for this from the CRS page. If it was old enough to be on an old OS map, what could it be? Perhaps an ancient GWR clerestory coach like this? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 23 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 Jenkin's photo shows just how complicated even the points at a minor place like Nancegollan could be - you are not going to be able to buy that combination of frogs RTR anytime soon! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted February 23 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: Jenkin's photo shows just how complicated even the points at a minor place like Nancegollan could be - you are not going to be able to buy that combination of frogs RTR anytime soon! You almost can! It’s just a tandem turnout (asymmetric three way) with the following turnouts hard on the crossing nose. Might manage something quite close with some point trimming. Paul. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 23 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, 5BarVT said: point trimming. An interesting variation on kit bashing I suppose! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted February 23 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said: Was this a "War Effort" addition or earlier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 46 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: you are not going to be able to buy that combination of frogs RTR anytime soon! Agreed, I've had to (cough) optimise the geometry to use Streamline Code 100. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 23 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 54 minutes ago, Tim Dubya said: Was this a "War Effort" addition or earlier? According to Wikipedia there were extensions in 1937 and then again in 1941. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 23 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 Trying to do in 3m x 1m under bridge will be scenic break. Sidings will be flattened slightly, considering a squirty plastic printer, and templot. Will be shrunk, aiming for 4 coach platforms. Clerestory i did have diagram Somewhere, may craft cut. My parents both come ftom Cornwall, one near Helford river , one near lizard.. Storage sidings will be under a BR layout. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Andy Keane said: According to Wikipedia there were extensions in 1937 and then again in 1941. Thanks for mentioning that. Quote In 1937 the facilities were considerably extended, with a full crossing facility for passenger trains and longer platforms on both lines, as well as a loop line behind the up platform and a large goods yard - In 1941 the station's goods sidings were further modified and extended in connection with airfield construction in the locality, and a new signal box with a lever frame that had been relocated from the Cornish Main Line at St Germans. A second, metal, bridge was also built at this time to carry the road over the new goods yard access lines. A camping coach was positioned here by the Western Region from 1958 to 1962 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancegollan_railway_station I'd initially assumed the airfield was Culdrose, but curiously Wiki says that wasn't even surveyed until 1942. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNAS_Culdrose_(HMS_Seahawk) Was there a seperate airfield at Goonhilly perhaps? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Other WWII RAF sites in the area were Predannack (Airfield) and Dry Tree (Chain Home Radar). 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 24 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24 The latest (highly improbable) addition to the Helston rosters: 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallaig1983 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Highly improbable. It’s nice though isn’t it? 😀 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 16 hours ago, MrWolf said: Other WWII RAF sites in the area were Predannack (Airfield) and Dry Tree (Chain Home Radar). Thanks, that gives the continuity to the expansion at Nancegollan in 1941. Presumably because there was more space available there than in Helston? Quote RAF Predannack was opened in May 1941 as a satellite for RAF Portreath. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predannack_Airfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 25 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25 20 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: more space available there than in Helston Yes, Helston was built on a rather congested site and actually was not intended to be the terminus at all. The land slopes quite strongly around it and laying down extra sidings would not have been cheap to do. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 25 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25 4 hours ago, Andy Keane said: Yes, Helston was built on a rather congested site and actually was not intended to be the terminus at all. The land slopes quite strongly around it and laying down extra sidings would not have been cheap to do. Cury / White Cross / Cross Lanes. Viaduct over the valley with stream going to Poldhu. East side of Mullion, where it is flat. Lizard would be possible as quite flat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 27 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27 On 25/02/2024 at 19:20, MJI said: Cury / White Cross / Cross Lanes. Viaduct over the valley with stream going to Poldhu. East side of Mullion, where it is flat. Lizard would be possible as quite flat. I wa sonce wondering if this could have happened so I worked out a rough route with OS maps. Mullion MAY have made sense, but south of there all smallish villages. However Porthleven MAY have had enough traffic. Coverack / St Keverne would have been doable, but again traffic. Just found this https://www.thelizard.uk/the-lizard-light-railway/ No where near Mullion, but the last bit I had more or less correct. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 24/02/2024 at 07:06, 5BarVT said: You almost can! It’s just a tandem turnout (asymmetric three way) with the following turnouts hard on the crossing nose. Might manage something quite close with some point trimming. Paul. That is tight, the switch blade of the forward turnout (at far left) appears to reach back right to the check rail of the next turnout and similarly on the frog side. It's like they needed every mm of that siding length. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 27 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27 The points at Helston were similarly tight at one stage. But I guess why not? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 28 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, BWsTrains said: That is tight, the switch blade of the forward turnout (at far left) appears to reach back right to the check rail of the next turnout and similarly on the frog side. It's like they needed every mm of that siding length. I think I may 3D print these as Peco Bullhead are very pricy. But I need a squirty plastic printer as build be too small on Mars2 Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 14 hours ago, MJI said: I think I may 3D print these as Peco Bullhead are very pricy. But I need a squirty plastic printer as build be too small on Mars2 Pro. see my PM about British Finescale 3D printed turnout kits. Edited February 29 by BWsTrains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 25/02/2024 at 15:15, Andy Keane said: Yes, Helston was built on a rather congested site and actually was not intended to be the terminus at all. Thanks for the mentions of the proposed route to the Lizard. I have a vague memory of a scheme to connect to Penryn as well. Was it via Gweek and Constantine? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted February 29 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 29 There were a whole bunch of different schemes considered in this area of Cornwall. The various books describe them: Hayle to Helston Tramway, not built, 1819 Tram line from Penryn to Redruth with branch via Wendron to Helston, not built, 1825 The Hayle Railway, with proposed branch to Helston (branch not built), 1834 Helston to Penryn, via Gweek and Constantine - as per @KeithMacdonald sketch, not built, 1846 It seems it was the establishment of the GWR mainline to Penzance that finally tipped the balance and decided the route taken for Helston. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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