Triang Brush Type 2

[Darius43]

In the process of refurbishment - wire handrails, a repaint and new decals.

 

 

 

 

Triang wheels replaced with Ultrascale’s.

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[Titan]

Type 3?  Are you modelling the 1600hp variant?  I know the 2000hp version had extra grilles, were there any external differences between the type 2 and type 3? If you are doing the type 3 version they were numbered D5545 and D5655-D5670.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Titan

[Darius43]

Rant deleted - I typed Brush Type 3 by mistake.

 

Didn’t know there was a Type 3.

 

This model belongs to a friend (childhood train set loco) and I am doing it up for him.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited October 31, 2021 by Darius43

[Darius43]

SEF flush glazing fitted and test fit to the bogies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The headcode is a decal replica of the original Triang paper sticker.  I took a photo of the sticker before I removed it and used the photo to make the decals.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[Robert Shrives]

Darius, 

Sharp work as ever - Ultra scale wheels must have been fun on such and old chassis, did you work up a way to do extra pick ups on the other bogie.

 

The model has stood the test of time well. Within the budget the Triang and the toolmakers  cut a good job.

You have done well with the flush glazing so the model looks just that bit better. The TT version as a skin head is also very good in the right hands.

Thanks for showing

Robert   

[Darius43]

So far this is a cosmetic restoration.  The next stage is to convert to DCC with a suitable high current decoder.  

 

Cheers

 

Darius 

[Robert Shrives]

That should be fun, keeping all the sparks and smoke inside the body shell !!

Robert  

[Darius43]

Cab steps made from plasticard and fixed to bogies. Etched windscreen wipers added and light weathering applied to the undergibbons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[Darius43]

Blue star and works plate decals applied - courtesy of Railtec.

 

 

Cheers

 

Darius

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[NFWEM57]

On 31/10/2021 at 18:25, Darius43 said:

So far this is a cosmetic restoration.  The next stage is to convert to DCC with a suitable high current decoder.  

 

Cheers

 

Darius 

High Darius,

 

I have converted that type of bogie on a number of Triang/Hornby  class 35's and class 37's.  I used a LaisDCC 8 pin decoder with no problems at all so you may not require a high current decoder.  This is the basic conversion, shown here with a blanking plug, but I have also fitted running lights to some.

 

 

 

DCC conversion with running lights with direction sensitive switchable red; F1.

 

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by NFWEM57

[cypherman]

What can one say. You have made a silk purse from a sows ear. Very well done.

[NFWEM57]

21 minutes ago, cypherman said:

What can one say. You have made a silk purse from a sows ear. Very well done.

Thank you..!  Merely wanted to show what could be done..!

[Darius43]

I went with a Zimo MX635R - with all the improvement work done, didn’t want to risk a meltdown with a cheaper decoder.

 

 

Now working on this…

 

 

Cheers

 

Darius

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[ianmacc]

Excellent work. It goes to show how the triang 31 can be improved.

 

it isn’t a sow’s ear though. It is simply a victim of progress. For a model released way back in the 1960s it was excellent and really captured the look of the Brush Type 2. In my opinion triang Hornby missed a trick ditching it in the 1970s rather than giving it the ringfield treatment like the Hymek (far less universal type) or the 37 (incorrect fundamentally).

 

I guess the Airfix model put them off. 

 

This project shows how some simple upgrades can give it a new lease of life. 

[Halvarras]

3 hours ago, ianmacc said:

Excellent work. It goes to show how the triang 31 can be improved.

 

it isn’t a sow’s ear though. It is simply a victim of progress. For a model released way back in the 1960s it was excellent and really captured the look of the Brush Type 2. In my opinion triang Hornby missed a trick ditching it in the 1970s rather than giving it the ringfield treatment like the Hymek (far less universal type) or the 37 (incorrect fundamentally).

 

I guess the Airfix model put them off. 

 

This project shows how some simple upgrades can give it a new lease of life. 

 

I can't see how a ringfield motor could have been fitted into the Class 31 because, unlike the Hymek and the 37, it didn't have a separate chassis which could be retooled/replaced. As can be discerned from Darius's inside view above, the motor bogie and trailing bogie pivots were part of the bodyshell. This method of assembly required the separate roof. When you consider the way it was tooled, the reason for being able to see the exposed outer axle on the trailing bogie from above becomes clear, as a floor couldn't be provided below the cab 'inner roof' in a single moulding - it would have had to have been a separately-fitted part, and with no cab interior there was no point.

Hornby kept  the 31 going for as long as possible - longer than I thought in fact - but by the end the tooling was beginning to degrade, so they probably weren't too bothered about Airfix stepping in. Curious that the latter model repeated the fake centre wheelset on the motor bogie - not much progress there in 14 years....!

[Darius43]

Bogies replaced with better running Hornby Railroad versions.

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited November 14, 2023 by Darius43

[Titan]

On 10/11/2021 at 18:51, ianmacc said:

Excellent work. It goes to show how the triang 31 can be improved.

 

it isn’t a sow’s ear though. It is simply a victim of progress. For a model released way back in the 1960s it was excellent and really captured the look of the Brush Type 2. In my opinion triang Hornby missed a trick ditching it in the 1970s rather than giving it the ringfield treatment like the Hymek (far less universal type) or the 37 (incorrect fundamentally).

 

I guess the Airfix model put them off. 

 

This project shows how some simple upgrades can give it a new lease of life. 

 

My understanding is that they decided to introduce a new locomotive to replace it - the class 25, also a Type 2.  So if they had opted for what would have effectively been a completely new 31, we may not have had a class 25, which I think would also have been a big trick to miss, as it was an excellent model.

[Halvarras]

Heavens, now I feel guilty about all of the effort and expense you put into the Tri-ang bogies !

When I bought a Railroad blue 31256 at launch I was impressed that Hornby had correctly fitted smaller wheels to the centre axles, that was one up on the superdetailed model (although the latter's all-axle drive would have required some careful gearing with smaller wheels in the middle of each bogie). I was less impressed with the weird mix of tooling though, and in the end fitted and detailed up a spare Airfix body.

Not surprised you didn't attempt excavation of the missing cab door hand rail recesses, the near-impossibility of achieving all eight in a neat and tidy manner would have put me off the idea too! I wonder if anyone has ever attempted it.....? 

[Darius43]

I still plan to fettle the Triang motor bogies.  At the moment the motor bogie assembly works but sounds awful.  I think the armature bearings need to be replaced, which requires the worms to be removed. 
 

I have obtained replacement bearings and a gear puller for this purpose.  Ultrascale provides replacement worm gears with their wheels so I plan to replace the Triang ones with these.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[PaulaDoesTrains]

2 hours ago, Darius43 said:

I still plan to fettle the Triang motor bogies.  At the moment the motor bogie assembly works but sounds awful.  I think the armature bearings need to be replaced, which requires the worms to be removed. 
 

I have obtained replacement bearings and a gear puller for this purpose.  Ultrascale provides replacement worm gears with their wheels so I plan to replace the Triang ones with these.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

I'm in the same situation with my Triang 31 (a cheap Ebay non-runner). I've got the replacement bearings but haven't got round to attempting to replacing them yet so I'm watching this thread with interest. And learning a lot

[Darius43]

5 minutes ago, PaulaDoesTrains said:

I'm in the same situation with my Triang 31 (a cheap Ebay non-runner). I've got the replacement bearings but haven't got round to attempting to replacing them yet so I'm watching this thread with interest. And learning a lot

You will most likely need a gear puller to get the worm gears off the armature shaft so as to be able to replace the bearings.  I had never used one before but it was surprisingly easy.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[Halvarras]

Ah yes, those nylon bearings, not this motor bogie's best feature. If too slack the armature can vibrate which causes noise and a touch of lethargy. The small loop moulded onto the bearing as a kind of resilient retainer can break which doesn't help. Elsewhere here on RMWeb I seem to recall reading that it's possible to replace these loops with small off-cuts of plastic tube from a cotton bud, which I thought was quite inspired!

 

What's up next for overhaul from your friend's fleet Darius - must be a Hymek lurking in the wings, surely.....?  

[NFWEM57]

On 14/11/2021 at 00:47, Halvarras said:

Ah yes, those nylon bearings, not this motor bogie's best feature. If too slack the armature can vibrate which causes noise and a touch of lethargy. The small loop moulded onto the bearing as a kind of resilient retainer can break which doesn't help. Elsewhere here on RMWeb I seem to recall reading that it's possible to replace these loops with small off-cuts of plastic tube from a cotton bud, which I thought was quite inspired!

 

What's up next for overhaul from your friend's fleet Darius - must be a Hymek lurking in the wings, surely.....?  

For information, replacement bearings (S5451) are available on eBay at a reasonable price for a pair.

[Darius43]

46 minutes ago, NFWEM57 said:

For information, replacement bearings (S5451) are available on eBay at a reasonable price for a pair.

That’s where I obtained mine.  Fitting them reduced the motor noise from excruciating to just above painful.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[cypherman]

Ok Darius,

It's all your fault. As if I do not have enough projects on the go at the moment. Now I have to get a Triang Class 31(Or in my world a Brush type 2). Looking for a decent one or two of them on Ebay. Plus I must admit I always liked the Airfix version. Might have to get one of those as well. OH !!! will it never end........ LOL

Edited November 17, 2021 by cypherman