RMweb Premium Popular Post Ian Smeeton Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) Background Train mad as a boy, a spotter and modeller, it all went out the window when I started work I spent 34 years in the licensed trade, working most weekends and bank holidays, and once I became self employed, working 7 day/ 100+ hour weeks, I had no time for anything outside work. 2016, I got a proper job. 6-2 or 2-10 shifts, Monday to Friday. I was like a freed battery chicken. I discovered things I had never had before. Evenings, Weekends Paid Holidays! How am I going to fill all this time? A quiet Sunday morning, and I suggested to the Boss, taking a look at Rocks by Rail. It wasn't an operating day, and the volunteer who met us in the cafe wasn't perhaps the friendliest, but he did sort out some coffee, cake and information for us. I decided to join, and took out family membership (there is only me and the Boss), then asked about volunteering. It took a couple of attempts to reach the right person, and I was invited down for a day. After some introductions and a safety talk we (me and another newbie) set to cleaning the firebox, tubes and smokebox on a Barclay 0-4-0. Learning a bit about the loco, which bits are which, and what bit does what. We were BLACK. From there, I did a couple of turns as a cleaner, and started to learn a bit more about the place, and what was needed. As such, I started going there on odd Saturdays, cutting some grass, painting anything which didn't move etc. I did check by giving things a shove first. After 30 odd years in customer facing roles, the one thing which makes my day is seeing everyone happy as they leave. It gives me great pleasure, so seeing people come in through the gate, not sure what to expect, or even if they are going to enjoy it, I love it when they are leaving and say that they have had an interesting and enjoyable visit. We are not a Main Line, or even a branch, we are more of a twig. We haven't got famous big engines, or even famous small ones. We don't run through spectacular scenery. We don't run TO anywhere, its just an out and back. What we DO have, is lots of interesting stuff. And we try and use it, too. Some of our volunteers actively avoid the public, and are happier behind the scenes, perhaps working on their pet project while the Museum is closed. 'Stamford John's' pet project Others are happy in a 'Customer Facing' Role, so turn up every operating day, because they are proud of the things that they do. Me? I am happy to help in any way that I can. It doesn't bother me if I am rostered as steam crew, or Cafe or Front of House. Over the last few years, I have tried to complete the training for any competencies going. So far, Cleaner, Passed Cleaner, Fireman, Diesel 2nd Man & Driver, Shunter, and Roperunner (the quarry equivalent of Yard Foreman), as well as learning the Front of House (Admissions) and the Cafe. It means that I can fill almost any gap in the roster on a running day, which helps others on the roster enjoy their strengths. We are a small place, not rich, at least in financial terms, but rich in history, exhibits and artifacts. It is a struggle to keep everything that is running, running. There are just enough of us to keep up with maintenance and to run the operations on open days, as well as a little restoration. But we need more. The volunteer team at the start of the running day. This is a plug for Rocks by Rail, but it is also an appeal for ALL heritage railways and museums. The whole sector is crying out for extra help. Some of the larger operations have well defined departments, so once you are on PWay, or Maintenance, that's you for ever and a day. Smaller operations, like ours are more flexible. So you might dream of driving a steam loco, but if you are prepared to help out on some trackwork, or painting as well, we will bite your hand off (and train you to be a steam loco driver as well!!) So what's the down side. Well, you don't get paid, and it will cost you to join (Fifteen Quid for an adult, a Score for the whole family) The fresh air tires you out. I ALWAYS sleep like a log after a day at the museum. The dog will be worn out, if you bring him along, as will be the wife if you persuade her to come, too. The Upside? Your mental health improves. Even just looking back over some well-cut grass, or a well-painted Brake van, there is a sense of pride and achievement. You can hide, if you want. If that makes you happy, that's fine by us. Or you can crawl out of the woodwork, and meet some fascinating people, most of whom, have no interest in trains!. Here's a link to one of our volunteers' Blog https://woodysmodelingdiary.blogspot.com/ Here's a link to me talking to our own @AY Mod when he came to visit You only need to watch about 4 minutes about volunteering , but the whole thing is worth a look, if you haven't already seen it. Give volunteering a go. Try it once. There is no commitment to turn up week after week, day after day, but you might find that you enjoy it. And if not here, at Rocks by Rail, then at somewhere local to you. Regards Ian Edited May 27, 2022 by Ian Smeeton Posted too soon 37 2 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2022 I used to Love volunteering at Mangapps, but sadly life got in the way. One day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted May 27, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2022 We all seem to have no time for anything outside work/family/work/sleep/work. If you can find the time, it can be very rewarding to do something totally different. Try it! Regards Ian 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2022 Sure life is challenging, 2 young kids, disabled wife, busy job and pets, however volunteering is simply the best anti depressant going. No matter what is going on you book on and its like stepping away from modern life (we are not allowed to have our phones on at all whilst on duty) Not only do other volunteers become your friends you tend to see some visitors over and over again and there is something special about sharing our hobby. Yes there are some who are most definitely better in the background and you would never want in front of the public, but volunteering is a very broad area and we need all types. Just bear in mind that it can take longer than you think to start with to make progress. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Informant Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I certainly would not mind helping out with the Romney, Hythe & Dymchurch Railway and/or the Kent & East Sussex Railway in some way. However, as with many other people, work and family commitments must come first. Plus some of the things that I do with my model railway club also take up a fair amount of my free time, especially producing the quarterly in-house magazine for the rest of the members (something that I have been doing since 2013). I also feel that some people volunteer at certain preserved railways because of that railway's higher profile status, even though there might be another railway closer to home that is desperately short of volunteers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trevellan Posted May 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2022 I am a volunteer and trustee at a heritage attraction, in this case a bus museum. As with many other heritage attractions we are struggling for volunteers, with an increasing average age profile. The challenges of recruiting and retaining new volunteers is currently high on our agenda. This morning I saw an e-mail from a colleague, advising that there might be insufficient cover for us to open one day next weekend, bringing the issue to the fore once again. Unsurprisingly, the Covid-19 lockdowns played their part in the current situation, reminding people that they can find many other things to do with their spare time. However, I would support the view that voluntary work has many benefits, not the least of which are the positive mental health aspects. 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Invicta Informant said: I certainly would not mind helping out with the Romney, Hythe & Dymchurch Railway and/or the Kent & East Sussex Railway in some way. However, as with many other people, work and family commitments must come first. Plus some of the things that I do with my model railway club also take up a fair amount of my free time, especially producing the quarterly in-house magazine for the rest of the members (something that I have been doing since 2013). I also feel that some people volunteer at certain preserved railways because of that railway's higher profile status, even though there might be another railway closer to home that is desperately short of volunteers. I always thought the opposite. Much better chance of going through the ranks quickly at the Titfield* Railway Society than the Festiniog for example. *Used a fictional railway rather than insulting a small railway that struggles getting vols 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted May 28, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2022 Getting through the ranks is one thing, but just getting time out from Life's Day to Day hurley Burley is another thing. RbR is a small establishment, but I get just as much pleasure out of mowing several acres of grass as I do on the footplate. Over the last winter, I set about 40 years growth of Blackthorn which was obscuring the view from the nature trail which runs along the side of the line. It is not just about train driving (although I enjoy that, too) It is about helping to make the visitor experience one that they will remember (Hopefully in a good way), while putting something in to the local community. Lots of heritage railways and museums are not just about running trains, but about boosting the local economy, too. Find a little time. It doesn't have to be every week., or even every month. Occasional volunteers are just as welcome as those who have lots of time to spare. Try it, you might like it. Regards Ian 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR traction instructor Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Approaching this from a slightly different angle…everyone needs a routine, preserved railways have much to offer in terms of spaces where people might want to be. It may be the opportunity for a cuppa in a pleasant garden area, maybe during a plant swap morning (many people have gardens) that increases the footfall/awareness of the railway and starts a thought process along the lines of spending a little more time here. Asking a few vintage vehicle owning locals to bring their machines along on a Saturday or Sunday morning for a couple of hours would soon get people talking and coming along to the impromptu show. These people then chat with friends/family and bring along others. Any one of these new bodies might have extra skills that can benefit the situation. The only limit to getting any amount of new people on site is imagination…the possibilities are endless. A more attractive/open to all thread title could be, we would like to be part of YOUR routine. BeRTIe Edited May 29, 2022 by BR traction instructor 4 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2022 I agree with everything you've written above, Ian. What is certain is that, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression" and the railway - which it sounds like RbR does - needs to welcome and foster the new person's enthusiasm while it's fresh. I have been slightly frustrated with one railway of which I am a member (although a little remote from it), which requested assistance with an admin task and I got in touch saying what I can do to help them. I got an e-mail last October saying my offer had been passed on to the appropriate person but since then? Nothing. Well, do they want help or not? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2022 I'll agree with much of what's been posted above. I've been volunteering at the Watercress line here in Hampshire for 5 years now, first on the platform & booking office, and now as a signalman. It's great for mental health, feeling like you're doing something really worthwhile, and getting a change from normal life - I spend my normal working hours sat at a desk, so getting outside and active really makes a difference for me. We're a bit more structured than smaller outfits like RbR, so you do tend to join a specific department (operating, in my case), but there's nothing stopping those with enough time from joining multiple departments or taking on multiple roles. Most rostered roles require a minimum of 12 turns a year in order to maintain competencies - that's just one a month, and we have some people who can only manage that, while others might be out once or twice a week ( I usually manage twice a month ). Similarly we have some people keen to progress through the ranks and gain more competencies, and others who are content to stick with just one thing - there's no pressure either way. There's really something for everyone too - we have plenty of people with no prior railway experience, all ages, and from all walks of life. Most lines will have a volunteer co-ordinator, or some kind of regular open day, or both - but chatting to any of the staff on duty at your local line will usually get you pointed in the right direction... 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I intend to do this in two years' time when I pack in work. I was given a good tip by the gas man (!) last week, whose father volunteered on the SVR for years: even if you know it all, act as if you don't, or you won't easily fit in. Voluntary organisations are political minefields. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted May 31, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, rogerzilla said: I intend to do this in two years' time when I pack in work. I was given a good tip by the gas man (!) last week, whose father volunteered on the SVR for years: even if you know it all, act as if you don't, or you won't easily fit in. Voluntary organisations are political minefields. Why not start your enquiries sooner rather than later. At least you will be able to have a look at the behind the scenes organisation before committing. Remember, volunteering is entirely Voluntary. Regards, Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) I'm kind of the opposite, got more free time than I've ever had , done 30+ years as a volunteer on the NYMR and at the point of telling them to stick it. I'm bored stupid when I'm there, transferring to something else on the railway is nigh on impossible and I am getting to the point I don't have the patience to deal with the people whose only qualification is to stick a huge hat on with gold braid and think they're gods gift to railways. I would look at the turnover of volunteers, if the only people there have been there forever and there are no new faces walk away. If there's a really good mix and people can be bothered to take time to talk to a new/prospective volunteer that's the place to go. I took a few months off from the Moors for medical reasons and did my first guards turn in ages in April and I saw 2 different attitudes on display, the most prevalent was "you're new so I'm going to ignore you or use my greater experience to try and bully you". The better one was the one person who came up and said "Hi, I've not seen you before my name is ******* if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them". To me you need to get something from your volunteering hobby, a sense of achievement or that you've turned up had some fun with like minded people and that you've helped the railway in some manner. If you don't get that vote with your feet! Edited June 1, 2022 by Boris 3 4 2 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted June 1, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2022 We have a very low turnover of volunteers, which helps. This last couple of years we have had a couple of youngsters join, and as long as we can keep them from being distracted by Sex, Drugs & Rock & Roll, other attractions they will progress rapidly through the competencies. As we are such a small place, there is little danger of the anonymity that you seem to have suffered. \it is not as if we have people working 10 miles apart at opposite ends of the line. Most of our work goes on within shouting distance. Regards, Ian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FraserClarke Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I can thoroughly recommend volunteering too! I'm fortunate to have a job and family that allow me to do ~2 days per month. I've found that easily enough to get involved in several aspects of my local railway (Didcot Railway Centre in my case). It took - like I think many things - a little while to figure out how the organisation worked, but 90% of people were immediately helpful, and the other 10% are just the other 10% ;-) It is fantastic fun, and on a purely selfish level I find it very rewarding to do something practical. It is also - particular when operating - the only time when I genuinely don't think about my real job for a whole eight hours!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Friendliness from the staff and volunteers is a good point. We were visiting a very well known railway in Southern England which I won't mention as it was a long time ago and noticed something wrong. So we went looking for somebody to tell as there was nobody about. Found someone who looked like he was in charge as he was wearing a full station masters uniform, and said very politely "Excuse me" Before we had even finished that he went on an angry long rant about not being involved with timetables, trains, locomotives, photo permits, food, toilets, etc. When he had finished my mate who was also a volunteer at a heritage railway added. "Err, your loco is slowly rolling that way with nobody on it!" Panic ensues! 🤣 No damage done. The crew had popped into the cafe for a break and had left someone else in charge who decided he also wanted to go for a break.... Jason 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted June 5, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2022 It is chucking it down with rain, today, and I am not rostered for duty. Will I still go? Yep! Regards from a soggy Rocks by Rail. Ian 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted June 5, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said: It is chucking it down with rain, today, and I am not rostered for duty. Will I still go? Yep! Regards from a soggy Rocks by Rail. Ian I went. I got soaked Right through to my underwear!! But, I achieved a lot. Signed up a volunteer Initiated a newbie into the intricacies of being a Diesel Secondman Cleared some growth which was threatening to poke someone's eye out. Made contact with a chap who supplies audio-visual solutions to the Heritage Sector and had some great ideas for some of our exhibits. Oh, and got wet again!! From having nothing specific on the agenda, I think it went well. Thoughts? Regards Ian 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted June 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2022 Sounds like you had fun! We've had recognition at the highest level this week - the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service: https://watercressline.co.uk/the-watercress-line-receives-the-queens-award-for-voluntary-service/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted June 6, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Nick C said: Sounds like you had fun! We've had recognition at the highest level this week - the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service: https://watercressline.co.uk/the-watercress-line-receives-the-queens-award-for-voluntary-service/ A fantastic result, and I am sure, richly deserved. I hope that the Award results in a flood of visitors and new volunteers, and that they all enjoy their experiences there. Regards Ian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nickwood Posted June 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2022 This is a very interesting and enlightening discussion, thank you to the OP for starting the topic. Pendon is facing many of the issues raised here, particularly a lack of volunteers. For many, Covid has disrupted their normal routine and they are reluctant to return to an enclosed environment or they may have re-evaluated their commitment, or possibly found other things to do instead. Pendon is finding it increasingly difficult to fill the rotas to have the museum adequately staffed when open. Pendon has embarked on a recruiting programme to attract both volunteers and Trustees, another position that is perhaps even more difficult to fill but it is not going to be an easy ride. Also concerning is the drop in visitor numbers and it would be interesting to know if other attractions in our sector are experiencing the same. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodmin16 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, nickwood said: This is a very interesting and enlightening discussion, thank you to the OP for starting the topic. Pendon is facing many of the issues raised here, particularly a lack of volunteers. For many, Covid has disrupted their normal routine and they are reluctant to return to an enclosed environment or they may have re-evaluated their commitment, or possibly found other things to do instead. Pendon is finding it increasingly difficult to fill the rotas to have the museum adequately staffed when open. Pendon has embarked on a recruiting programme to attract both volunteers and Trustees, another position that is perhaps even more difficult to fill but it is not going to be an easy ride. Also concerning is the drop in visitor numbers and it would be interesting to know if other attractions in our sector are experiencing the same. I have been considering offering my assistance at Pendon, it would certainly not be in a modelling capacity though. I became a friend during the first lockdown to be able to at least give some financial support - I am still a friend and intend to continue being so. Unfortunately as a result of some less than favourable experiences with one of the "larger" preservation organisations I very much doubt that I will offer my limited skills to any of the 12 inch to the foot railways again. My volunteering days for me and my best friend ended after an apparent "lack of appreciation" for our efforts and internal squabbling, in more recent times I was criticised in a non too pleasant manner for wanting to take some photos from "public" areas of a certain railway, offering a donation for doing so. I did not have enough time to travel the whole length of the line which was the only journey option available. Needless to say that was a donation they did not get as a result along with any profits they could have made from a visit to the cafe, gift shop and donation boxes of other preservation groups in residence, etc. Unfortunately I think that the preservation movement is at a crossroads and there are likely to be some casualties, if things don't change. I have my own thoughts about how that could be potentially mitigated which I will not share here but I'd be quite happy to pass on to organisations in a suitable manner, if asked. One thing that needs to be appreciated by everybody involved is that both casual visitors and enthusiasts are vital, and if they are not made to feel welcome then recruiting volunteers is not an easy task. On a more positive note I will say that there are some exceptions where I have always been made to feel welcome and these include both Pendon and Rocks by Rail, it's a pity that RbR is such a long way from me otherwise I'd be happy to consider wielding a paint brush, cutting the grass or any other task that would fit my skills, on an occasional basis. Who knows Pendon may well be the "lucky" recipient of my voluntary services? I would also include the IOWSR and the SVR in the list of locations where I have had more positive experiences in recent times (not as a volunteer I hasten to add). I salute all the volunteers (even those who need to tweak their interaction skills) and hope that my fears do not come to fruition. The loss of any railway preservation movement would be a sad loss indeed. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted June 6, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2022 The discussions here are quite enlightening, and should give unnamed Heritage Railways pause for thought. "Is this us, are we what is being described here?" Perhaps I should start another topic "Why DON'T you volunteer?", or even "Why don't YOU volunteer?" Regards, Ian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ian Smeeton said: The discussions here are quite enlightening, and should give unnamed Heritage Railways pause for thought. "Is this us, are we what is being described here?" Perhaps I should start another topic "Why DON'T you volunteer?", or even "Why don't YOU volunteer?" Weirdly since becoming a signaller on the big railway I've found that generally Network Rail staff (and frontline staff from the TOCs) demonstrate the community atmosphere and "we're in it together" that you would expect on a preserved railway rather than from a faceless corporation. It's a far better atmosphere in my job than my hobby and is why I'm taking 2 months off from playing trains, see how I feel about going back then. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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