RBC Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 10:22, cairnsroadworks said: There is no aerial hole on the nose with 430. Haven’t checked the model of 423 I have here. I thought of another large logo tractor you could do from 430 easily - 422. Andi. Going for either 421 (Inverness) or 422 (Eastfield0. Checking to see if any of these two got the black headcode box treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, RBC said: Going for either 421 (Inverness) or 422 (Eastfield0. Checking to see if any of these two got the black headcode box treatment. Nice. I don’t think either did. 401 did I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBC Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, cairnsroadworks said: Nice. I don’t think either did. 401 did I think. Just reading that fitting the mini ploughs is a bit of pain, these are a must for the WHL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBC Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RBC said: Just reading that fitting the mini ploughs is a bit of pain, these are a must for the WHL. Also just found a 1986 picture of 401 at Eastfield with the black headcode box, decisions decisions. https://www.google.com/search?q=class+37401&rlz=1C1VDKB_en-GBGB942GB942&sxsrf=AJOqlzXIdOmZMiTg69uXJc0ltUa820Dt3g:1675889299101&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiu-euS5ob9AhWIScAKHUmoDjgQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1280&bih=569&dpr=1.5#imgrc=40POSC-M1gLVhM Edited February 8, 2023 by RBC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanach Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) On 14/01/2023 at 17:18, Dicky L said: 37801 formerly 37430 repainted by Andi Walshaw. Superb work . I’m having a little problem getting the chains unhooked on mine . Any tips would be appreciated. Also I know someone who has fitted an EM1 but I’d love to know where! I can’t see how as the tolerances are very tight between the motor and drive shaft and speaker / potential area for milling. There are also 2 screw mounting lugs (poles?) right in the way ! Edited February 9, 2023 by meanach Missing text 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albie the plumber Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 hours ago, meanach said: Superb work . I’m having a little problem getting the chains unhooked on mine . Any tips would be appreciated. Also I know someone who has fitted an EM1 but I’d love to know where! I can’t see how as the tolerances are very tight between the motor and drive shaft and speaker / potential area for milling. There are also 2 screw mounting lugs (poles?) right in the way ! Used to fit an EM2 in the older models but they were far more basic than what's currently on offer . Would be interested to know where it goes myself . Can't help but feel it may need taking a hacksaw to your £200 plus model ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, meanach said: Superb work . I’m having a little problem getting the chains unhooked on mine . Any tips would be appreciated. Also I know someone who has fitted an EM1 but I’d love to know where! I can’t see how as the tolerances are very tight between the motor and drive shaft and speaker / potential area for milling. There are also 2 screw mounting lugs (poles?) right in the way ! Thank you 😊 I didn’t touch the chains as I didn’t need to remove them on this one. I’ve not looked at speaker modifications for these yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I’ve got a slightly random request if someone who has one of the new 37 models is willing to assist with please? I’d like to know the measurement in millimetres from the buffers at one end to the edge of the last wheelset at the other end - reason being I want to get D6710 but not 100% sure if it’ll fit in the headshunt of my small BLT under construction, so would like to know whether the point blades will clear the last wheelset. I know it’ll be tight, hence the request for an accurate measurement with a tape measure if anyone can help. Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Walker Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 13 hours ago, NXEA! said: I’ve got a slightly random request if someone who has one of the new 37 models is willing to assist with please? I’d like to know the measurement in millimetres from the buffers at one end to the edge of the last wheelset at the other end - reason being I want to get D6710 but not 100% sure if it’ll fit in the headshunt of my small BLT under construction, so would like to know whether the point blades will clear the last wheelset. I know it’ll be tight, hence the request for an accurate measurement with a tape measure if anyone can help. Thanks in advance. = 230mm. Hope that helps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Tony Walker said: = 230mm. Hope that helps. It does, thank you very much. Little bit more room than I thought, so one will be making its way here when they arrive. Happy days! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 On 01/02/2023 at 13:45, Southwich said: It's always good to have a proper grown up chat about the pros and cons of the models we spend our very hard earned cash on... Kind regards, Will I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts and the debate around. I feel we have lost something special on RMWeb where we are all just people who love particular things about trains, rather than getting entrenched in manufacture X vs manufacture Y. The simply reality, no matter how much any one company claims, all RTR models are built to a budget with compromises that only they are aware of as to why. It's great to be passionate about striving for the best/definitive models as a reflection on how much we enjoy the prototypes. I do not view model trains like I do when buying a Mac, with Apple you are paying for the best and you utterly trust the brand to deliver you a top rate Mac that money can buy (well I impatiently wait for the new 27"+ iMac for 4 years + now) and as Apple know, if they do not send a Mac that is millimetre perfect I return it until they deliver me one that is...with models, you buy something close and then spend years tweaking it in the reality that no mainstream manufacturer is going to produce an exact/non-compromise replica of the prototype - if you so wish. Well unless you are Norbrass who do, yet you are looking at £1000 +. God no one get ideas and start producing brass exact replicas of UK prototypes! All I want to say is thank you for bringing back a passionate discussion about how models compare to the prototype and then how you can spend hours of pleasure making them accurate. Something I thought RMWeb was about and it is a great shame to see anyone talking models these days is instantly attacked for being passionate and knowledgable. For the record, I have Bachmann's 37418 in Sound Fitted Deluxe and same with 37175 on order. I am very pleased and frankly do not give a flying pig about cost (if honest, I would like them to go further and proudly say they are paying their factories a living wage and offering employment welfare as well as using sustainable packaging/transport - I'd pay a premium for that!). I have a few Accurascale 37s on order, but if honest I look to future releases from them not because there are no working fans but because the liveries I am most interested in are absent on the 37/4s. Who ever releases 405, 419, 423 or 425 in DRS compass first gets orders. It does not matter who produces them, I can buy them all. Colas is another great example, if Accurascale also release one, I shall buy (as long as the fan works). I, the customer/modeller, win here as I get all the models I want from new tooling that I may choose to improve in the future. Again, I do not care about the price... guess why? It's a hobby! As defined by an activity that you spend disposable income on. Try sailing or owning property aboard, then you'll know about 'cost'! There's more serious things in life to get genuinely grumpy about, model trains is not one! 6 3 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2023 Has anyone had the lid off 37034 and is able to confirm whether the bufferbeams on the chassis are full width behind the skirts? Wondering whether the model is suitable as a candidate for conversion to a loco without skirts. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) So ive had a look finally at mine tonight, 37401 has pulled into my works for assessment of conversion work… First opinion… whats really the difference ? Well not much… its identical length, width and height.. The nose is the same shape.. The roof layout of my pair is the same… But It is a new body… compare the roof rivets to see.. they are finer and slightly laid out differently… Under the hood the new chassis is slightly reminisce of the 20 years ago chassis with the weight clipped in… So whats improved… 1. The roof grill.. 2. The bogie chains (Though they remind me of a black leather and chains wearing German Heavy metal band) 3. the circuit board is much cleaner 4. The body is a thinner plastic and crisper detail 5. Cab back head is painted and detailed. 6. Fuel tank piping detail Roof Grill.. Fuel tank detail.. Whats less good… 1. I think the cab handrails were better before.. The front window beading looks improved.. On performance / weight theres not much in it… so what about the nose ? ive an extensive archive of various noses. I like to do a bit of nasal surgery… on the left, 37401’s nose, on the right a.n.other nose from my drawer relating to the recent retired 37 version used up until 2020… The electronics are different.. the new one uses a jst, the old one used three pickups to collect power off the chassis.. The good news is they fit the new 37, and the Circuit board can be swapped… (you dont need screws to hold it, the screw holes align to the lugs on the old one..snap fit).. In the below image I've just held it with blutack for show, as I've a different set I want to use.. the lugs are too big on the old ones, but trimming them down will see them fit and its definitely possible to get them snug and tight to the body shell.. the old noses are a thicker gauge plastic than the new, but its thickness goes towards the interior so you wont see it. stats 37401 vs 37254 Weight 522g vs 536g power specs are the same…. Start up 0.04a vs 0.04a Full running 0.18a vs 0.18a Their exterior dimensions and angles are the same. Although thers 14g difference, I dont think it will be visible in haulage. Finally… old and new bodies dont mix. If you want to put the new body on the old chassis, it may be possible, but you’d need to change cab lights, and remove the screw thread holes, and swap back to an old cab back head, but its possible. The old body doesnt fit over the metal block of the new chassis however (the older body is thicker plastic). Conclusion.. It seems the old one was ok, this has a few minor tweaks to the body, and a revised chassis. I personally like that the old noses can be re-used. Theres not a lot between them really. its good to finally have a Mainline 37/4 with good dark grey and the finish is good. Whats to get excited about is the potential… theres a lot of EPs of various configurations, that haven't been done before, and thats what i’m interested in… As for my 37401.. now I know I can continue nasal surgery.. either 37431 (My avatar image) or 37430 Cwmbran (The Manchester legend) doth cometh.. especially as RR mk2’s are coming. Edited February 23, 2023 by adb968008 5 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2023 Maybe I have low standards, but the new Bachmann 37 impresses me as a superb model, and I was very happy with the previous generation model. I have similar feelings about the new 47, superb but nothing wrong with the older model. In both cases I'll buy additional models where there's a release I'd like, but the word is additional. I don't plan to replace my existing models as I see no reason to. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted February 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2023 They do both look very good but the big difference to me is the shape / size of the front windows. I wonder whether that is also the main difference that will be visible between Hornby and Accurascale on the 50s (aside from some better grille assembly methods!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 8 hours ago, adb968008 said: So ive had a look finally at mine tonight, 37401 has pulled into my works for assessment of conversion work… First opinion… whats really the difference ? Well not much… its identical length, width and height.. The nose is the same shape.. The roof layout of my pair is the same… But It is a new body… compare the roof rivets to see.. they are finer and slightly laid out differently… Under the hood the new chassis is slightly reminisce of the 20 years ago chassis with the weight clipped in… So whats improved… 1. The roof grill.. 2. The bogie chains (Though they remind me of a black leather and chains wearing German Heavy metal band) 3. the circuit board is much cleaner 4. The body is a thinner plastic and crisper detail 5. Cab back head is painted and detailed. 6. Fuel tank piping detail Roof Grill.. Fuel tank detail.. Whats less good… 1. I think the cab handrails were better before.. The front window beading looks improved.. On performance / weight theres not much in it… so what about the nose ? ive an extensive archive of various noses. I like to do a bit of nasal surgery… on the left, 37401’s nose, on the right a.n.other nose from my drawer relating to the recent retired 37 version used up until 2020… The electronics are different.. the new one uses a jst, the old one used three pickups to collect power off the chassis.. The good news is they fit the new 37, and the Circuit board can be swapped… (you dont need screws to hold it, the screw holes align to the lugs on the old one..snap fit).. In the below image I've just held it with blutack for show, as I've a different set I want to use.. the lugs are too big on the old ones, but trimming them down will see them fit and its definitely possible to get them snug and tight to the body shell.. the old noses are a thicker gauge plastic than the new, but its thickness goes towards the interior so you wont see it. stats 37401 vs 37254 Weight 522g vs 536g power specs are the same…. Start up 0.04a vs 0.04a Full running 0.18a vs 0.18a Their exterior dimensions and angles are the same. Although thers 14g difference, I dont think it will be visible in haulage. Finally… old and new bodies dont mix. If you want to put the new body on the old chassis, it may be possible, but you’d need to change cab lights, and remove the screw thread holes, and swap back to an old cab back head, but its possible. The old body doesnt fit over the metal block of the new chassis however (the older body is thicker plastic). Conclusion.. It seems the old one was ok, this has a few minor tweaks to the body, and a revised chassis. I personally like that the old noses can be re-used. Theres not a lot between them really. its good to finally have a Mainline 37/4 with good dark grey and the finish is good. Whats to get excited about is the potential… theres a lot of EPs of various configurations, that haven't been done before, and thats what i’m interested in… As for my 37401.. now I know I can continue nasal surgery.. either 37431 (My avatar image) or 37430 Cwmbran (The Manchester legend) doth cometh.. especially as RR mk2’s are coming. Interesting re the noses , I have a couple of models stripped ready for modifications such as the Shawplan windscreens/roof fan + grille etc but I may sell those on , keep the noses to add to the pile I'm starting to amass and start investing in the new tooling locos to create locos to suit my modelling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, sulzer71 said: Interesting re the noses , I have a couple of models stripped ready for modifications such as the Shawplan windscreens/roof fan + grille etc but I may sell those on , keep the noses to add to the pile I'm starting to amass and start investing in the new tooling locos to create locos to suit my modelling yes ive accumulated a little pile of noses over the years, about 10 in my spares box of different configs I was debating their future, but will hang on for now, especially as the circuit board compatibility is an easy one to swap. Got to admit no reason to trade up from my older ones from what ive seen, but there are still a few gaps to be filled… The chassis under that 37254 for instance was off a 37275 (round buffers no skirt), but is not sprung and that loco was destined to become 37260.. but its quite clear Bachmann has an IS 37 with that combo and headlight in its EPs displayed. So far A/S and Bachmann arent really stepping on each others toes, but obviously may change, but neither have demonstrated to cross those lines in a big way yet. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, adb968008 said: yes ive accumulated a little pile of noses over the years, about 10 in my spares box of different configs I was debating their future, but will hang on for now, especially as the circuit board compatibility is an easy one to swap. Got to admit no reason to trade up from my older ones from what ive seen, but there are still a few gaps to be filled… The chassis under that 37254 for instance was off a 37275 (round buffers no skirt), but is not sprung and that loco was destined to become 37260.. but its quite clear Bachmann has an IS 37 with that combo and headlight in its EPs displayed. So far A/S and Bachmann arent really stepping on each others toes, but obviously may change, but neither have demonstrated to cross those lines in a big way yet. All the loco's I have currently are basically piles of parts , most with paint removed , also next week I have 2 or 3 bodies from 37026 Loch Awe to pick up from a contact but I don't know if I can justify investing in the Shawplan parts plus paint/transfers and messing around lowering the ride height etc , there are some loco's I can create from the current and upcoming new tooling ones that would fit my modelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 hours ago, adb968008 said: yes ive accumulated a little pile of noses over the years, about 10 in my spares box of different configs I was debating their future, but will hang on for now, especially as the circuit board compatibility is an easy one to swap. Got to admit no reason to trade up from my older ones from what ive seen, but there are still a few gaps to be filled… The chassis under that 37254 for instance was off a 37275 (round buffers no skirt), but is not sprung and that loco was destined to become 37260.. but its quite clear Bachmann has an IS 37 with that combo and headlight in its EPs displayed. So far A/S and Bachmann arent really stepping on each others toes, but obviously may change, but neither have demonstrated to cross those lines in a big way yet. Apart from 37043 but I take your point. Enjoyed your review, and interesting that the noses fit from older ones. One of the things I like about the new model is the finer detail on the noses. The windscreens are still the biggest improvement and a huge one at that. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted February 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2023 Does mean that if you have a set of flush front noses (by far the best of the old model’s noses), you can convert to flush front machine. Shame the only EWS release was the collectors club model (and of course isn’t discounted) as it would be quite tempting to redo 37521… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 hours ago, adb968008 said: So ive had a look finally at mine tonight, 37401 has pulled into my works for assessment of conversion work… First opinion… whats really the difference ? Well not much… its identical length, width and height.. The nose is the same shape.. The roof layout of my pair is the same… But It is a new body… compare the roof rivets to see.. they are finer and slightly laid out differently… Under the hood the new chassis is slightly reminisce of the 20 years ago chassis with the weight clipped in… So whats improved… 1. The roof grill.. 2. The bogie chains (Though they remind me of a black leather and chains wearing German Heavy metal band) 3. the circuit board is much cleaner 4. The body is a thinner plastic and crisper detail 5. Cab back head is painted and detailed. 6. Fuel tank piping detail Roof Grill.. Fuel tank detail.. Whats less good… 1. I think the cab handrails were better before.. The front window beading looks improved.. On performance / weight theres not much in it… so what about the nose ? ive an extensive archive of various noses. I like to do a bit of nasal surgery… on the left, 37401’s nose, on the right a.n.other nose from my drawer relating to the recent retired 37 version used up until 2020… The electronics are different.. the new one uses a jst, the old one used three pickups to collect power off the chassis.. The good news is they fit the new 37, and the Circuit board can be swapped… (you dont need screws to hold it, the screw holes align to the lugs on the old one..snap fit).. In the below image I've just held it with blutack for show, as I've a different set I want to use.. the lugs are too big on the old ones, but trimming them down will see them fit and its definitely possible to get them snug and tight to the body shell.. the old noses are a thicker gauge plastic than the new, but its thickness goes towards the interior so you wont see it. stats 37401 vs 37254 Weight 522g vs 536g power specs are the same…. Start up 0.04a vs 0.04a Full running 0.18a vs 0.18a Their exterior dimensions and angles are the same. Although thers 14g difference, I dont think it will be visible in haulage. Finally… old and new bodies dont mix. If you want to put the new body on the old chassis, it may be possible, but you’d need to change cab lights, and remove the screw thread holes, and swap back to an old cab back head, but its possible. The old body doesnt fit over the metal block of the new chassis however (the older body is thicker plastic). Conclusion.. It seems the old one was ok, this has a few minor tweaks to the body, and a revised chassis. I personally like that the old noses can be re-used. Theres not a lot between them really. its good to finally have a Mainline 37/4 with good dark grey and the finish is good. Whats to get excited about is the potential… theres a lot of EPs of various configurations, that haven't been done before, and thats what i’m interested in… As for my 37401.. now I know I can continue nasal surgery.. either 37431 (My avatar image) or 37430 Cwmbran (The Manchester legend) doth cometh.. especially as RR mk2’s are coming. A very interesting review! Thanks! The biggest plus for me is that I think the new 37 sits much better than the old one which looked like it's on stilts to my eyes when i saw it in the flesh. I haven't got an old one so don't know if it sits too high or the bogies are too shallow. On the noses I think the new ones have got the rake back of the top curve better but its hard to tell from photos. Then the tail markers look much better size wise on the new and I prefer the shape of the base. So personally I wouldn't put the old nose on the new (it'll be interesting to see if they fit and have the same arc). I'm not overly sold on the brake chains and while the roof grille is the best I've seen on an RTR the retaining loop looks a little heavy. A bit of laserglaze to bring out the excellent looking front windows then I think this could be a really nice model. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I finally took the plunge and picked up a couple of the new 37s at weekend. Having felt that the new 47 was nice but not that big an improvement on the old, I was expecting to feel same with new 37. However, whilst the shots in some of the above posts show minor differences vs old, I have to say that the combination of all the improvements make this quite a big step up from the old in my opinion. Sat side by side the old model does indeed appear as if on stilts and the under frame really stands out as the solid block that it is, alongside the complex arrangement of the new 37. Some of the details are sharper but the above really changes the look and results in something that looks much more like the real thing to me. Only the snowplough arrangement is a real letdown - what were they thinking going with this arrangement when there is so much beautifully engineered detail everywhere else. I think I’ve said before that it gives a “buck teeth” look to the model and my 2 will be destined for a home engineered solution. This leaves me with a problem. I have a lot of 37s amassed over many years. I didn’t want to like the new 37 much more than old because now I feel I need to replace more… and with Accura one arriving soon too… M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted February 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Matt said: This leaves me with a problem. I have a lot of 37s amassed over many years. I didn’t want to like the new 37 much more than old because now I feel I need to replace more… and with Accura one arriving soon too… I’ve been having similar thoughts, particular with certain 37s now discounted to around the 180 mark. the thought of selling all my old Bachmann models and replacing with half the number of the new ones is very tempting. Even though the underframes are in the process of being replaced / upgraded, it’s the cab window area that for me blows it away, and that’s a lot harder to fix… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Agree with the sentiments above, back when the new 37 was announced I said I wouldn't upgrade, but I've just sold a further three of my 90s Sector/Dutch/ReggieRail 37s for eventual replacement with new Bachy/Accurascale ones. Luckily custom versions still seem to be holding a decent price on eBay. I'm relatively happy with keeping my custom old style 47s, as they're pretty good and stand up well against the new 47. But the 37 is definitely a big improvement and shows up the issues with the older model. As you say Rich, like-for-like replacement is soon going to get expensive, trouble is I've already thought of 3 or 4 versions I could model with the new Dutch 37201! (odd bogies ignored - solution to work out on that... hopefully replacements appear as a spare at some stage) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, thetrains said: I've now decided to take the plunge to pre-order a WR version from the next run (busting my £180 limit) having cancelled my Accurascale 37 and 31 pre-orders due to my Deltics iffy motor (and others at club and also some of the guy's 92's are showing similar symptoms). So, a bit of advice please, looking at various reviews, on Sam's (I know) when he cut the power his 37 stopped dead, suggesting no flywheels, my only 37 a Baccy @15 year's old runs on about 18 inches at 50% on GM100M and provides plenty of fun on my new GM U simulation controller to stop it in bay platform. Anyways, does anybody else's do the same as Sam's or has he just a dodgy one, EDIT: and do yours run on a bit. ta. Just curious as I can get from my retailer 37034 for £174 inc p&p now, limited stock though, and xfer my Accuras deposits. many thanks The BRM review from last year reports the model has twin flywheels but I don't have one so can't help with the rest of your post sorry. mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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