DenysW Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, fulton said: On the question of lamps in 4mm scale Just go Bavarian? For at least 30 years Trix, Roco, Rivarossi (and, I assume Marklin) have included the lamps with illumination, and changes-around for reversing. I'm still checking whether K.Bay.Sts.B. practice included varying the number of lamps for the duty. My S3/6 has 3 on the front, but my P2/5 only has two, as does the tiny PtL2/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: That wuz two of the Androids on Silent Running. P No, no, no. Melvil Dewey, originator of the Dewey Decimal Classification system of book cataloguing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) "This film is not a documentary. Supported by sounds that are familiar to us then closely linked to the music, the images that follow are only intended to create an atmosphere." I just noticed this caption (I've translated it) at the start of Jean Mitry's 1949 film that married Arthur Honegger's "Pacific 231" to film of such a locomotive in action.* Isn't creating that atmosphere, from whatever era, visually in three dimensions what we are trying to do with our layouts? I've seen layouts that do that with every detail of operation - including lamps- faithfully reproduced but equally succesfully by layouts that use a much broader brush. I've also seen plenty of layouts that accurately "document" their chosen subject but almost totally lack that atmsosphere. *The sounds were very familiar in 1949 but sadly not anymore. The film used images of an ex Nord Chapelon Pacific (2-231E 24 )in action on a run between Paris and Lille and won prizes for its editing. It is available online www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRCJhLU7rs&t=148s&ab_channel=WouterVanBelle Edited November 7, 2022 by Pacific231G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ianathompson Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, DenysW said: I'm still checking whether K.Bay.Sts.B. practice included varying the number of lamps for the duty. My S3/6 has 3 on the front, but my P2/5 only has two, as does the tiny PtL2/2. This is thread drift and I claim my £10! According to Fahrt Frei, a book specifically about K.Bay.Sts.B. signalling practice, in practical terms it is two. A white light over each buffer indicates "a planned move in the correct direction." There ARE other lights, including red and green for special circumstances. I don't find it easy to read the small Gothic script but if you have a thread on here I will endeavour to translate and show what they mean. Incidentally as a freelance continental modeller (I know!) I just settle for two white lights on the front. This is the headcode for, "Look out It's a train". It would be interesting to know why it was only British practice (and its derivatives) that felt the need to indicate the train class whereas the French and German systems did not. Ian T Edited November 7, 2022 by ianathompson typo 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold C126 Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: No, no, no. Melvil Dewey, originator of the Dewey Decimal Classification system of book cataloguing. Just to drag this thread quite off-topic and add, "Personally, I am a CC man." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_classification Bliss is rather good as well, and kept up-to-date. Sorry, could not let the opportunity pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I must admit the idea of wearing a grocer's brown coat, with a couple of pens in the pocket, appeals to me to round off the whole ambience of a layout set in the 1950s. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, ianathompson said: It would be interesting to know why it was only British practice (and its derivatives) that felt the need to indicate the train class whereas the French and German systems did not. Ian T The Engllish are well known for having a class system, which foreigners laugh at. But our signalmen needed to know what sort of a train it was in order to meet their duty to regulate traffic by giving priority to faster/more important trains. We hade numerous classes of goods trains, whose sectional timings varied quite a lot according to the extent of effective continuous brakes, a problem which maybe was less of an issue elsewhere? Maybe the French & German Signalmen didn't have authority to regulate traffic - or perhaps they just ran their trains to time like the Italians did whilst Il Duce was in power ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, C126 said: Just to drag this thread quite off-topic and add, "Personally, I am a CC man." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_classification Bliss is rather good as well, and kept up-to-date. Sorry, could not let the opportunity pass. Transport was/is always a problem with DDC. Where I worked, I put all the transport books in a separate section; at least I knew where they were... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: I must admit the idea of wearing a grocer's brown coat, with a couple of pens in the pocket, appeals to me to round off the whole ambience of a layout set in the 1950s. You mean you wear one while your operating it? You've obviously failed to recognise TV's stereotype modeller - you're supposed to wear a greasetop hat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenysW Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, ianathompson said: Incidentally as a freelance continental modeller (I know!) I just settle for two white lights on the front. This is the headcode for, "Look out It's a train". This is what most of the RTR do, and isn't it wonderfully simple and argument free? Two white lights at the back lit only when reversing that you can only see in the absence of wagons/coaches. Sorted. I don't have a thread of my own, and don't think I need to trouble you to translate Bavarian lamp codes, although many thanks for the offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: I must admit the idea of wearing a grocer's brown coat, with a couple of pens in the pocket, appeals to me to round off the whole ambience of a layout set in the 1950s. When Hanging Hill was out and about I did suggest to my long haired, leather jacket wearing mate we wore Mod suits as the layout was set in the 60s.....I won't repeat his reply as most the words are not those allowed on RMweb. Edited November 7, 2022 by Clive Mortimore 1 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Continuing the drift on this thread, I feel it should be de rigueur that the operators at an exhibition wear appropriate clothing to match the period of their layout. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Not Jeremy Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2022 Lederhosen for some of you from the sound of it!! 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 7, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: You mean you wear one while your operating it? You've obviously failed to recognise TV's stereotype modeller - you're supposed to wear a greasetop hat! Also wave green flags and blow your ACME Thunderer. Ah, the ACME Thunderer, a man's whistle, issued to policemen, football referees, and railway guards. Skilled use is extremely effective in crowd control and inducing a sense of urgency in passingers bimbling about on platforms. I wish I'd kept mine, with a stamped BR(W) tin plate on it. I have a theory that a strategically located person with a Thunderer, a supply of traffic cones, and a roll of crime scene tape could probably rule the world... Edited November 7, 2022 by The Johnster 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: I have a theory that a strategically located person with a Thunderer, a supply of traffic cones, and a roll of crime scene tape could probably rule the world... He did ... https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/179437/Boris-Johnson-s-war-on-roadworks-End-of-the-road-for-gridlocked-Britain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, DenysW said: Just go Bavarian? For at least 30 years Trix, Roco, Rivarossi (and, I assume Marklin) have included the lamps with illumination, and changes-around for reversing. I'm still checking whether K.Bay.Sts.B. practice included varying the number of lamps for the duty. My S3/6 has 3 on the front, but my P2/5 only has two, as does the tiny PtL2/2. And don’t forget the diesel Loco with drivers that “change ends” with direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: And don’t forget the diesel Loco with drivers that “change ends” with direction. To achieve that effect, you could put him on a pivot so he lies on his side on the cab floor when he's supposedly not there, worked by servos. You wouldn't really see him there through the windows. You might have difficulty fitting in a mechanism to do the same with a second man and an inspector though! Or maybe just a mechanism to change his uniform to be a Guard riding in the rear cab! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: I must admit the idea of wearing a grocer's brown coat, with a couple of pens in the pocket, appeals to me to round off the whole ambience of a layout set in the 1950s. My layout is set from the late 2010s to near- present day. The layout team will all be wearing hoodies at th3 next outing. And we'll have a couple of spray cans in the pockets for a bit of tagging..... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, newbryford said: My layout is set from the late 2010s to near- present day. The layout team will all be wearing hoodies at th3 next outing. And we'll have a couple of spray cans in the pockets for a bit of tagging..... Surely white lab coats, Mick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: Surely white lab coats, Mick? I saw plenty of them watching Hawkwind in the 80s...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, newbryford said: My layout is set from the late 2010s to near- present day. The layout team will all be wearing hoodies at th3 next outing. And we'll have a couple of spray cans in the pockets for a bit of tagging..... I look forward to seeing a model set in 2020-21, where everyone is wearing masks and with social distancing arrows on pavements and platforms. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, newbryford said: I saw plenty of them watching Hawkwind in the 80s...... Yep jackets with no hand holds and straps that go all the way round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Northmoor said: I look forward to seeing a model set in 2020-21, where everyone is wearing masks and with social distancing arrows on pavements and platforms. No platforms on my layout..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenysW Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, newbryford said: And we'll have a couple of spray cans in the pockets for a bit of tagging..... I'd recommend against this. My son was particularly annoyed when, caught tagging and taken off to the nick in Birmingham, his mother brought his big sister along to 'help' bring him home in the wee small hours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, newbryford said: No platforms on my layout..... Just not a proper train set then.... But shouldn't there be a service platform in shed'?....its a platform after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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