RMweb Gold brynna79 Posted November 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2022 Can't see another post that discusses these. Interesting selection of liveries being released, a number that have been hard to get for quite a while now. I https://www.hattons.co.uk/directory/versiondetails/article?id=1273 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markn Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The FGW version is tempting. How does this tooling compare to Bachmann's offering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanbasher Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 This is going to be interesting, the original Heljan 57/3 in Virgin livery didn't have the Thunderbird nameplates & the radiator grilles at the A end roof sides were just plastic, they were metal on the Bachmann offering which came later. Also the original Heljan 57's suffered with the same bulgy problem that the 47's did. Bachmanns slimmed down body looked much better. It's great to see Heljan have got the license to produce the nameplates this time around & I'll be very interested to see how Heljans Dellner coupling attachment compares to Barwells. The Barwell 57 is a big favourite of mine (minus the class 57/0 variant with the chunky headlight) so the Heljan one has big shoes to fill. I'll be watching this project with great interest indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted November 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2022 The price is pretty competitive (lower end) so I doubt there has been a huge amount of new tooling gone into this if at all and will be a straight re-release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Apparently original tooling with upgraded chassis and no delner couplings 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted November 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2022 Time will tell with this,lets hope they get it right as lot of good stuff there.Hopefully the competition these days will make them up the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Rich_F Posted November 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2022 Uggg! Just bought a Hornby class 57 to detail & improve the other day! Should've waited a week 😅 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 kind of on the fence with this one. The original doesn't stack up to the Bachmann offering, and they never tooled for the Dellner coupler. So does these releases mean that they have? As far as the listed upgrades go, it isnt mentioned. If it still has the fatter appearance I will stick with my Bachy offerings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanbasher Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, sulzer71 said: Apparently original tooling with upgraded chassis and no delner couplings Well in that case these are doomed to fail already as the Network Rail example had a Dellner or the recepticle where the Dellner was at least... I'm hoping Heljan have had a crack at the coupler at least. Edited November 4, 2022 by vanbasher 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I can't believe they are duplicating the Bachmann offering, you'd have thought they'd gone for a different running number instead of 57312 ! 57603 in GWR green will be a good addition as they previously produced all the others on the original release. And presume the 57/6's will come with snow ploughs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 If you look at Hattons advert for these locos there are drop down menus describing body shells etc. They do say 57/3 models will have Dellner apertures and roof and side grills etched so a very much updated tooling I would say 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2022 Quote Heljan are producing a new upgraded batch of their Class 57 diesel locomotives in OO gauge. Back in the range after a long absence, this new batch features an upgraded chassis with LED lighting and a 21-pin decoder socket. Eight variations are due to arrive by Q2 2023 covering Virgin Trains, First Great Western, Great Western Railway, West Coast Railways and Network Rail liveries. Looking at the list, 57/6’s dont have Dellner cutouts. Virgin 57/3’s initially didnt have dellners so its only the Network Rail one that sits odd. For £152 i’m not expecting this to be much of an upgrade, but as Bachmann has well eaten this market i’m not expecting huge excitement either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Heljan confirmed on a Facebook comment of the release that none will feature dellner couplers. Pointless release if you ask me! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, WCML100 said: Heljan confirmed on a Facebook comment of the release that none will feature dellner couplers. Pointless release if you ask me! Possibly the thing motivating it is that Heljan had an awful lot of "57" body shells sitting needing used up? Possibly catering for the same(ish) market as the Hornby Railroad plus recent effort, only wanting some more finesse (if not actual accuracy) in the execution. That and Bachmann haven't done a batch for a few years. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM47079 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I did think initially it was a spin off from the retooled 47 project. However I guess not. Nice selection of choices 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 An original Virgin 57 is of interest before Delner fitting as it suits the time period planned well. I’ve also kept a pair of Virgin duffs and EWS Heljan version so if it is still a wider body it will at least sit well amongst those. cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 05/11/2022 at 09:21, JohnC said: If you look at Hattons advert for these locos there are drop down menus describing body shells etc. They do say 57/3 models will have Dellner apertures and roof and side grills etched so a very much updated tooling I would say After posting the above , I spoke to Heljan at Warley and they confirmed there are NO Dellner couplings on their new run of class 57 locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter749 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I noticed on that somebody complained the Top Headlight does not work and Heljan replied "Unfortunately the top lights aren’t illuminated on the Class 57s. This is a rerun of an older model (dating from the 2000s) and although the chassis has received a small upgrade the specification is not as sophisticated as our latest models." I would have thought this info might have made a website It is not mentioned on the Rails of Sheffield website https://railsofsheffield.com/search?tags_brand_td93xydblb7cxukrqni65zsz=Heljan&q=Class 57 Take note if you intend to buy one of these locos Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Peter749 said: I noticed on that somebody complained the Top Headlight does not work and Heljan replied "Unfortunately the top lights aren’t illuminated on the Class 57s. This is a rerun of an older model (dating from the 2000s) and although the chassis has received a small upgrade the specification is not as sophisticated as our latest models." I would have thought this info might have made a website It is not mentioned on the Rails of Sheffield website https://railsofsheffield.com/search?tags_brand_td93xydblb7cxukrqni65zsz=Heljan&q=Class 57 Take note if you intend to buy one of these locos Peter It's not wise to point out what may be considered defects in one's 'new' models! CJI. Edited March 12 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter749 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, cctransuk said: It's not wise to point out what may be considered defects in one's 'new' models! CJI. Caveat emptor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, Peter749 said: I noticed on that somebody complained the Top Headlight does not work and Heljan replied "Unfortunately the top lights aren’t illuminated on the Class 57s. This is a rerun of an older model (dating from the 2000s) and although the chassis has received a small upgrade the specification is not as sophisticated as our latest models." I would have thought this info might have made a website It is not mentioned on the Rails of Sheffield website https://railsofsheffield.com/search?tags_brand_td93xydblb7cxukrqni65zsz=Heljan&q=Class 57 Take note if you intend to buy one of these locos Peter Interesting, as the old Heljan class 57s top lights did work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 The more I read / see about this release, the more i wondered why they bothered? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XChris Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I mean the 57/3’s aren’t accurate really as 57312 in NR yellow had a Delner (or another style) coupler but on the model it’s not there, seems a bit daft to me… 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mooresby Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 Based on what I'm seeing / hearing I'm pleased that I decided to cancel my pre order on these 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Theres plenty of cheaper secondhand Bachmann 57s, despite the toolding being older, be interesting to see how these do, but I suspect the tooling limitations will hurt the sales NL 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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