RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 16, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2022 Hi All,, Does anyone know when the last AA3 brake vans with wooden verandas were in use. Many thanks for any info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said: Hi All,, Does anyone know when the last AA3 brake vans with wooden verandas were in use. Many thanks for any info. AA3 or wooden-framed AA16? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 16, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said: AA3 or wooden-framed AA16? Like this: [ [http://www.gwr.org.uk/nobrakes.html] 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 52 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Like this: [ [http://www.gwr.org.uk/nobrakes.html] Ah ha! That's a lovely photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 17, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said: AA3 or wooden-framed AA16? AA3, I have acquired a Frogmore kit and wondered if I could use it on my mid 20s layout. Many thanks, Compound2632, for providing the answer. I shall add the kit to the roundtuit pile. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said: Many thanks, Compound2632, for providing the answer. I shall add the kit to the roundtuit pile. That wasn't an answer, since I don't know the date of the photo. I simply posted to illustrate what you were talking about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 17, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: That wasn't an answer, since I don't know the date of the photo. I simply posted to illustrate what you were talking about. The answer was in the link that you provided. Wooden veranda brakes were around into the 20s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Siberian Snooper said: AA3, I have acquired a Frogmore kit and wondered if I could use it on my mid 20s layout. Many thanks, Compound2632, for providing the answer. I shall add the kit to the roundtuit pile. My late father acquired a Frogmore kit for the Kington Branch brake van, it made up into a lovely model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Siberian Snooper said: The answer was in the link that you provided. Wooden veranda brakes were around into the 20s. I'll have to take responsibility for that educated guess! (Which is based purely on the post-1920 size of G W.) Updating of wooden verandah sides seems to have been either the application of plating (as with the cabin sides) or a more radical replacement in metal. I don't think there was any set timetable - vans were upgraded on an as-needed basis. Pics of AA3s are rare. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On the basis that there is an AA3 in the GWS collection at Didcot, at least one must have managed to survive in original form with a planked verandah into BR days. That said, I suspect that by 1948 any unmodified ones were extremely rare. The modification appears to have come in, at least for new build, with the AA13 vans, which had steel plated verandahs but planked bodies, suggesting that the single brace in the verandah sides, even when upgraded from flat strip to angle iron, wasn't up to the job of prevent lengthways racking of the bodies under the shocks of sudden starts and stops at the back end of loose coupled trains. In between, the first of the 24' vans, to diagram AA11, was fully planked, but with diagonal braces either end of the body sides instead of on the verandah sides. From the AA15 diagram onwards, the lower part of the body sides and the non verandah end were plated. Interestingly, whilst none of the goods brake vans prior to AA11 had any diagonal bracing when built, it was normal on the ballast brake vans, and there are photographs of some of the later 24' vans with diagonal braces to the van body. The modification itself is quite major, as the plates are riveted in place behind the body stanchions. Performing it on an existing van would have meant removing the lower outer and inner planking and stripping out the internal benches/lockers in order to get in behind them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jim.snowdon said: On the basis that there is an AA3 in the GWS collection at Didcot, at least one must have managed to survive in original form with a planked verandah into BR days. The Didcot specimen has been rebuilt about half a dozen times since preservation. Nothing about its pre-preserved state can be assumed (apart from the solebars, maybe!) This old-timer has had a pre-nationalisation verandah upgrade. There probably weren't many AA3s left at that time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Miss Prism said: This old-timer has had a pre-nationalisation verandah upgrade. There probably weren't many AA3s left at that time. This photo shows that at least two of the AA3 vans retained wet sanding into the BR period (the other being the AA3 at the Dean Forest Railway). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 18, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2022 Is that a horse-drawn mobile crane in the background? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: Is that a horse-drawn mobile crane in the background? .... or a crane base being delivered ...... the dray doesn't look up to much ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2022 Yes, that makes more sense, but a horse-drawn mobile crane would be a lively thing to model! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I expect it's a crop of a much larger photo where we are looking at what was relevant at the time, which is the brake van. I doubt many people were taking random photos of Toads in the 1920s. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 19, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: I expect it's a crop of a much larger photo where we are looking at what was relevant at the time, which is the brake van. I doubt many people were taking random photos of Toads in the 1920s. Just so. The interesting stuff is on the edge of the photo, or worse, mostly hidden from view by some hulking great locomotive that has been inconsiderately parked in the centre of the field of view! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Always the way, innit !!?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I mean the original photograph or set of photographs. That's just an enlargement from a bigger photo, probably a glass plate, which was probably taken to highlight what was going on in the background. Looks like building work. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 20, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I mean the original photograph or set of photographs. That's just an enlargement from a bigger photo, probably a glass plate, which was probably taken to highlight what was going on in the background. Looks like building work. Jason Just the same as I don't generally associate 'Crewe', with the GWR. Another railway was far more dominant there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2022 8 hours ago, kevinlms said: Just the same as I don't generally associate 'Crewe', with the GWR. Another railway was far more dominant there! Well the other railway did have two engine sheds at Crewe and the GWR only had one. Plus the other railway had a works there as well - so maybe you're right?😄 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 .... and - contrary to popular opinion - the GWR wasn't the only railway in Swindon !!!!!!!!!!! 😮 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: .... and - contrary to popular opinion - the GWR wasn't the only railway in Swindon !!!!!!!!!!! 😮 If we wish to be pedantic turning the clock back a few years the GWR didn't even have a station in Swindon as its station was in Swindon New Town. The other railway had its station on the southern edge of what had been retitled Old Swindon, aka Swindon Old Town (and still known as Old Town - as it was when I was working in Swindon in the 1980s) - is of course the original town of Swindon. Hence, for example it had the cattle market (which I attended on one occasion with any uncle and other family members many years ago) was in Old Town still hinting very much at the original town's links with agriculture rather than railways. The other railway's station was always titled 'Swindon Town' while thr GWR station was referred to as Swindon Junction (I don't know if it ever actually carried that name on running-in boards etc?) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 20/11/2022 at 12:39, The Stationmaster said: The other railway's station was always titled 'Swindon Town' while thr GWR station was referred to as Swindon Junction (I don't know if it ever actually carried that name on running-in boards etc?) http://www.gwr.org.uk/4-coupled-pics/535.jpg 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted November 21, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2022 I like the weather sheet, furled up on the cab roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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