auld_boot Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) The problem with this motor is that it would need an aditional gearbox/gearset with a 10:1 reduction or thereabouts in order to get it down to the right sort of running speed. At 1300rpm, it's far too fast. You really need a maximum of 120rpm or so for layout speeds (allowing for voltage available..... I use a 6v motor that gives about 185rpm at 6v, and run it off a 3.7v Lipo) Hi, have been reading this post with great admiration for your work, fantastic work! Are the little 14/1 gearboxes still available from Bill Bedford? They are listed on his website, but there's no mention of sizes so not sure if it would be too large for rear axle mounting. http://www.mousa.biz/fourmm/loco/drives/gearboxes4.html EDIT: Found them on clag as well here: http://www.clag.org.uk/2nd-gen-mu.html Edited April 5, 2013 by auld_boot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Hi Auld, think you have to contact Mousa Models for the gearbox i whas looking for the gearbox but good not find it I have changed the state of the motor. For me the best option. I make a hole in the floor of the cabin I start to mill the front axel with the steering wheel More later Edited April 6, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hi Auld_boot - welcome to the foray...... I think there's about to be quite a lot of good work and learning going on - which is great! And I'm glad it's causing such interest. I think it's a good and generally interesting adjunct to a model railway, with a lot of unexplored potential ( which people are just now starting to run with, now the technology has really made it viable) Thanks for the link on Bill Bedfords gear boxes - they're neat, and could be a useful final drive! John, I think that that motor position is a good compromise - have you considered the long shaft version of the gearbox, which would probably reach down to the back axle in one go from there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Hi Giles, I want a cardan shaft fitting between the engine and rear axle in this way the engine can come a little bit more horizontal also, I want to try what suspencion in the rear axle. so, a long shaft from engine to reare axle wil not work on this way Edited April 7, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Fair enough, John! It just means the bevel gear will need supporting in some way (be it a gear box on the axle, or similar) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hi Giles, This is my plan for the rear wheel drive John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hi All I found this engine Its possible to put one flywheel on. http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2214 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Just the job, John - you've got it sorted..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Hi John If you go for the flywheel I'd be interested in your opinion. Advantages and disadvantages. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Hi Rich, When I see something for the forum I go posting I thought you want a flywheel on your engine.? There`s no room voor the flywheel in my car, sorry I can`t test a flywheel John Edited April 9, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 I thought you'd be interested in the comparison between the gear motors we've been using, and the 6mm Mikro Antribbe motor Gearbox unit (used for HO lorries). I thought I might play with a 7mm car, and see if it's got sufficient power.... Also shown is the recent 1.7gm servo, compared with the servo used in my lorries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) This day my 1;43 A ford arrived Its a compleet car so I can leurn more about de RC to build in I want to do the build like Giles did with his cars. John so now I have two projects I do not put all pictures on the forum but you cab watch it on for the 1:35 Fort http://www.lostcreek.nl/1op35%20de%20bouw%20van%20de%20a-ford.htm for the 1:43 later on this page and on lost creek Edited April 9, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Thanks John. Something to put in my Favourites. You can get smaller flywheels, or make one if you've got a lathe, but how effective they would be I don't know. Bound to have some effect in smoothing out the motion. I'm not very knowledgable about remote control models. How do you switch the power on? Is it on the speed controller, and does it drain power significantly when the power is on even when not being driven, enough to make you feel you should switch it off if not driving the model for a while? Oh yes, a car has got to be the next step. If they can do it at 1:87 scale it can certainly be done at 1:43. Go for it Giles. I think I've got one of those motors, I think they're used in mobile phones to make them vibrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Oh excellent John. Glad you're doing a 1:43 version, and thanks for the link to the 1:35 version. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hi Switcher Giles gave me this link from my page that he had translated http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.lostcreek.nl/1op35%2520de%2520bouw%2520van%2520de%2520a-ford.htm John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:53 I thought you'd be interested in the comparison between the gear motors we've been using, and the 6mm Mikro Antribbe motor Gearbox unit (used for HO lorries). I thought I might play with a 7mm car, and see if it's got sufficient power.... Also shown is the recent 1.7gm servo, compared with the servo used in my lorries. Hi Giles, The 6mm Mikro Antribbe motor Gearbox unit looks great Where you bought that, and what delay he has 1:.... John Edited April 11, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Hi John, This was the site and page.... http://www.shop.kkpmo.com/product_info.php?products_id=985 It arrived in about 5 days! (i've not tried it yet....) They do a selection of sizes and ratios. Edited April 11, 2013 by Giles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I love sound in the car. This is 1:87, so in 1:43 or 1:35 it should also be possible John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Wow John, a 1:87 vehicle with sound. That's amazing, and it starts and moves really well. Wouldn't like to be a 1:87 scale fella inside it when it stops though There's other good stuff linked to that video aswell, an excavator that moves incredibly well for such a small scale. I'm wondering whether to start on this stuff before continuing with my railway stuff. After all, the way I aim to build a model railway will require road transport and diggers very early on because I will be attempting to build a model railway in the manner a railway is built in reality. In other words I will start off with just a landscape, then attempt to recreate the way a real railway is built, and that will require diggers, and a landscape that can be dug into. Don't ask now how I am going to do this because I haven't yet figured it all out, but that's the aim. It will be some time before I organise room to place the layout. This method of building a layout means that once you've got the basic landscape down your 'layout' will always be finished. It's just the actual 'railway' itself that will then need building, and that will be built by models, well ….. perhaps with a little help from yours truly aswell. So, another reason this thread is a godsend for me, I need these models in order to actually build my railway. Thanks for linking Giles's translation of your site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 and you forget the cyclist on RC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 John, I couldn't think what you meant at first, but I think I get you now. You know, I have been thinking how to make cyclists and motor cycles work. I've seen them work following a track, 1:43 scale I think it was, legs going round aswell, but remotely …. wheeeew! Do you find yourself looking at virtually everything in the real world and thinking "Mmmm, I wonder how you could get that to work at my scale"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 The cyclists are made by this company http://www.magnorail.com/index_en.html and are in HO. Presumably the system would work equally well with 7mm scale bikes..... With all these things, one wants to keep them adding to the realism, rather than the twee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switcher102 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Aey, them's the fellas. HO were they? Cripes. Move well and look quite effective (except of course for the staballisers, that's the biggest challenge) but as you say they need to be used with realism. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlostcreek Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) Hi Giles I put the build of my 1 on 43 ford already posted on a Dutch forum.(comes later here) I got from someone on the forum this link http://www.mikromodellbau.de/Shop/artikelauswahl.php?kid=123 beautiful small parts look at the small servo John ! Edited April 14, 2013 by johnlostcreek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share Posted April 14, 2013 And this is it.... http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.mikromodellbau.de/Shop/artikeldetails.php%3Faid%3D946 .????? EXTRAORDINARY I don't need one quite that small yet - but if i do...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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