RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chen Melling said: The drawing also shows that the missing outside bracing was NOT replaced by inside bracing. This is also reflected in the surviving vans in Israel and all works drawings I've seen for wagons built for the Western Front, which had extra safety chains as per French practice. What it does show, in common with the LNWR drawings reproduced in LNWR Wagons Vol. 2, is the 4" x 1¾" timber X-frame, with additional 3" x 1¾" vertical and horizontal frame pieces (7" x 1¾" abutting the doorframe), hidden from view between the outer and inner skins of ¾" sheeting. The diagonal iron strap, inside or outside, when present, is an additional strengthener rather than a primary structural component. The same goes for the diagonal straps on the ends, which follow the lines of similar timber frame members. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chen Melling said: ... I don't think 47877 is an authentic number for a WW1 condition wagon... "First Number : Unknown" ( http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=11243 ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Melling Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: "First Number : Unknown" ( http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=11243 ) This is also the case regarding the Israeli examples. As head of the museum I decided to restore one as nearly as possible to WW1 configuration and intend to number it "E1281". The other one in our collection is being restored to its WW2 condition as rebuilt to carry meat and mounted on a steel underframe. It will carry its correct WW2-era number as this was found when stripping it. An option for the wagon at Beamish would be to chose a number from the original series, but I admit that for the Israel Railway Museum's ambulance carriage I chose its earliest known number instead of the unknown (but different) WW1 identity. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The other option would be to number it as E1401 ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, Chen Melling said: That nicely shows the internal framing I was trying to describe! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Melling Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: The other option would be to number it as E1401 ! This is true but I'm not sure yet there was no E1401 of another type (though it seems that after these the EEF used the same number series as that used on the Western Front). Also, I like how 1281 looks on the drawing - I think it would add to the "character" of the rather plain-looking wagon in our display. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Compound2632 said: That nicely shows the internal framing I was trying to describe! Don't tell anyone ...... but it does look ...... er ...... a little ..... er ..... Midland-ish ! 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Don't tell anyone ...... but it does look ...... er ...... a little ..... er ..... Midland-ish ! 😁 The X-framing is more characteristic of the Caledonian, amongst others. Midland framing is I\I/I - but there's only so many ways to build a timber-framed van. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Melling Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 18 hours ago, Compound2632 said: That nicely shows the internal framing I was trying to describe! This is a shot from much earlier (2016) in the restoration of PR 3120, which more clearly shows the intersection of the internal framework. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenL Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Any idea when these are due to arrive? They seem to have been missed off Rapido's delivery schedule: https://rapidotrains.co.uk/delivery-schedule/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, BenL said: Any idea when these are due to arrive? They seem to have been missed off Rapido's delivery schedule: https://rapidotrains.co.uk/delivery-schedule/ Hatton's have them listed as July - September 2024. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2023 Seen in the cabinet at Warley. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 23/11/2023 at 17:01, BenL said: Any idea when these are due to arrive? They seem to have been missed off Rapido's delivery schedule: https://rapidotrains.co.uk/delivery-schedule/ Not on ze list Ben. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 12 hours ago, gwrrob said: Seen in the cabinet at Warley. Seen on my layout in 2016 (and earlier). Photo courtesy Barry Norman/MRJ 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted December 8, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) Locomotion Models announced yesterday (07th) that No 21408 - preserved at the National Railway Museum, York - is an exclusive to their National Collection in Miniature range. Edited December 8, 2023 by greatcoleswoodhalt 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, greatcoleswoodhalt said: Locomotion Models announced yesterday (07th) that No 21408 - preserved at the National Railway Museum, York - is an exclusive to their National Collection in Miniature range. What differences are there between the preserved version and how this would have looked in the pre-grouping period. It looks as though this one has a wooden roof, whereas the two general release wagons (SKU: 945002 and SKU: 945003) have an iron roof. It therefore makes for something a little different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Hi, Did these vans work on regular freight services until the early sixties before going into departmental use? Thanks Fred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Hi, Does anyone know when the vans were repainted into Departmental livery? Thanks Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Lovely to see LNWR 76378 enjoying it's retirement on the SVR serving as the sales coach for the L.M.S. & B.R. Coach Fund yesterday. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14 On 23/11/2023 at 17:01, BenL said: Any idea when these are due to arrive? They seem to have been missed off Rapido's delivery schedule: https://rapidotrains.co.uk/delivery-schedule/ Listed now as Q3 this year @BenL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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