Peterborough North

[great northern]

G'Day Folks

 

We forget that the A4's and Duchess's had quite short lives.

 

manna 

 That tended to happen with top express locos though, I think. They weren't really suitable for any other form of work once they had been replaced by the latest new thing. Even if the diesels hadn't arrived when they did, how much longer would they have had? The double chimneys undoubtedly gave them a new lease of life, but not for more than a few years, surely?

[great northern]

Those of you with long memories and staying power may remember that way back in the early days of PN, I tried to replicate a prototype shot which featured Deltic. A while later I tried it again, still without much success, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so when it was due on the Up again I realised that I hadn't tried it with the new Spital Bridge as a backdrop, and had another go. Here's the real thing, courtesy of and copyright of Andrew C Ingram.

Stopped to allow a B1 to run light engine onto the engine road! Did someone get into trouble for that, I wonder?

 

After a lot of fiddling about and experiments, I got this.

I suspect the original was taken with a wide angle lens, as I can't get anywhere near it. It seems to have been taken on a misty sort of day too, and I don't know how to make mine look like that either. Still, it is a vast improvement on the first try, and a good step forward from the second. The left hand side needs to be closed off with the silhouette of Spital Bridge shed, but I don't know if we will ever be able to get that done. I was thinking of putting the Baker Perkins building in low relief behind the bridge as well, but the thought of it getting mixed up with the signals when it comes to photoshopping doesn't appeal.

 

Not bad though, considering all the compression that has had to be done at this end.

[TrevorP1]

Those of you with long memories and staying power may remember that way back in the early days of PN, I tried to replicate a prototype shot which featured Deltic. A while later I tried it again, still without much success, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so when it was due on the Up again I realised that I hadn't tried it with the new Spital Bridge as a backdrop, and had another go. Here's the real thing, courtesy of and copyright of Andrew C Ingram.

Original deltic.jpg

Stopped to allow a B1 to run light engine onto the engine road! Did someone get into trouble for that, I wonder?

 

After a lot of fiddling about and experiments, I got this.

8 Deltic for comparison.JPG

I suspect the original was taken with a wide angle lens, as I can't get anywhere near it. It seems to have been taken on a misty sort of day too, and I don't know how to make mine look like that either. Still, it is a vast improvement on the first try, and a good step forward from the second. The left hand side needs to be closed off with the silhouette of Spital Bridge shed, but I don't know if we will ever be able to get that done. I was thinking of putting the Baker Perkins building in low relief behind the bridge as well, but the thought of it getting mixed up with the signals when it comes to photoshopping doesn't appeal.

 

Not bad though, considering all the compression that has had to be done at this end.

 

 

Looks pretty good to me Gilbert!

[Sandhole]

Those of you with long memories and staying power may remember that way back in the early days of PN, I tried to replicate a prototype shot which featured Deltic. A while later I tried it again, still without much success, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so when it was due on the Up again I realised that I hadn't tried it with the new Spital Bridge as a backdrop, and had another go. Here's the real thing, courtesy of and copyright of Andrew C Ingram.

Original deltic.jpg

Stopped to allow a B1 to run light engine onto the engine road! Did someone get into trouble for that, I wonder?

 

After a lot of fiddling about and experiments, I got this.

8 Deltic for comparison.JPG

I suspect the original was taken with a wide angle lens, as I can't get anywhere near it. It seems to have been taken on a misty sort of day too, and I don't know how to make mine look like that either. Still, it is a vast improvement on the first try, and a good step forward from the second. The left hand side needs to be closed off with the silhouette of Spital Bridge shed, but I don't know if we will ever be able to get that done. I was thinking of putting the Baker Perkins building in low relief behind the bridge as well, but the thought of it getting mixed up with the signals when it comes to photoshopping doesn't appeal.

 

Not bad though, considering all the compression that has had to be done at this end.

Very Tidy!!!

                C.

[Mallard60022]

G'Day Folks

 

We forget that the A4's and Duchess's had quite short lives.

 

manna 

However there are a few that are still fit and well and even older than me. 

Today at 36E......spotters would have been chuffed with this one back in the proper days.

P

[Denbridge]

However there are a few that are still fit and well and even older than me. 

20180917_130325.jpg

Today at 36E......spotters would have been chuffed with this one back in the proper days.

P

not for much longer. The owner is permanently retiring No.9 and his K4 to a museum in Scotland next year.

[Tony Wright]

Those of you with long memories and staying power may remember that way back in the early days of PN, I tried to replicate a prototype shot which featured Deltic. A while later I tried it again, still without much success, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so when it was due on the Up again I realised that I hadn't tried it with the new Spital Bridge as a backdrop, and had another go. Here's the real thing, courtesy of and copyright of Andrew C Ingram.

Original deltic.jpg

Stopped to allow a B1 to run light engine onto the engine road! Did someone get into trouble for that, I wonder?

 

After a lot of fiddling about and experiments, I got this.

8 Deltic for comparison.JPG

I suspect the original was taken with a wide angle lens, as I can't get anywhere near it. It seems to have been taken on a misty sort of day too, and I don't know how to make mine look like that either. Still, it is a vast improvement on the first try, and a good step forward from the second. The left hand side needs to be closed off with the silhouette of Spital Bridge shed, but I don't know if we will ever be able to get that done. I was thinking of putting the Baker Perkins building in low relief behind the bridge as well, but the thought of it getting mixed up with the signals when it comes to photoshopping doesn't appeal.

 

Not bad though, considering all the compression that has had to be done at this end.

That's an excellent attempt Gilbert, 

 

My compliments. 

 

When did Deltic come on to the ECML? 1958/'59? What the prototype picture does show is that the Down main starter (on the platform) should be a lower-quadrant signal. And, track-circuited

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Tony Wright

[Tony Wright]

We can also watch 60002 crossing over from the Down side.

5 other angle.JPG

Someone forgot to do the dusting again, and didn't fancy photoshopping either. I never get good depth of focus when I try this shot.

 

Then we have something that would very rarely be seen at PN, Haymarket and Gateshead engines standing side by side.

6 both.JPG

it does show up the original dingy Hornby green as well. That will get put right eventually, and Sir Murrough's nameplate will be put in the right position at the same time.

Good evening Gilbert,

 

May I make a 'critical observation' on 60002's front numberplate, please? 

 

The last zero is definitely wrong - it's a circle. That said, it's good to see the correct 'incorrect' '6' on the 'plate; one of those with a curly tail. I know you express a dislike for Ian Wilson's Pacific paper front 'plates, but they really are excellent. He does both styles for all the ex-LNER Pacifics and other classes. If you wish, I'll fit a correct one for you. 

 

If you remember, I've done it before for you.

 

 

I'm convinced Ian's plates are far superior to fudged-together transfer ones.

 

 

I'm also convinced they're better-looking than some etched 'plates. Do you remember my MONS MEG visiting PN all those years ago? 

 

I'm glad you're going to put Sir Murrough's nameplate in the right place - a long way back. I've never understood the placing of the A4 nameplates. Some (like the 'Commonwealths' with the longest names) have the front bit actually touching the parabolic lining, yet others, with long names (60001 and 60002, for instance) have them set far back. 

 

One thing I'd also consider is to put the strip at the base of 60002's tender tank. That which once carried the stainless steel embellishments for working the Coronation, now painted-over. With sister 60001 and A2/1 60507 towing them, these were the only streamlined non-corridor tenders to carry this feature (several corridor tenders did as well). 

 

 

 

It is noticeable. As is the crooked lamp above the LH buffer in the second picture!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Tony Wright

[mullie]

However there are a few that are still fit and well and even older than me. 

20180917_130325.jpg

Today at 36E......spotters would have been chuffed with this one back in the proper days.

P

 

Saw this one drifting into Weymouth a few weeks ago whilst going to B&Q!

 

Martyn

[great northern]

That's an excellent attempt Gilbert, 

 

My compliments. 

 

When did Deltic come on to the ECML? 1958/'59? What the prototype picture does show is that the Down main starter (on the platform) should be a lower-quadrant signal. And, track-circuited

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Thank you Tony. Deltic arrived in Jan 59 but failed and went back to Newton. It started work on 21st February 59, which gives me a one week window of opportunity before the M&GN closed. That's why PN exists between about July 58 and end of Feb 59.

 

As you know, some signals are going to be replaced, and if I can negotiate this one in, it will be put right.

[great northern]

Very tired again tonight, so just time for a couple more shots of Deltic slowing for the stop.

 

Back under the roof again, camera carefully focussed on the bonnet of Deltic, which shows two things. One, I still haven't found the stuff that should go on the front, and two, that other things are then bound to be out of focus.

[great northern]

Deltic getting a bit closer, and even louder.

 

Meanwhile, March B17 Huddersfield Town is bringing in the afternoon Ely- Birmingham through train.

Not quite sharp, as the camera took it upon itself to cancel the delay function, and must have wobbled a bit when I pressed the shutter.

[Mallard60022]

Saw this one drifting into Weymouth a few weeks ago whilst going to B&Q!

 

Martyn

Did they find the parts required to let it continue in service?

P

[Sandhole]

Very tired again tonight, so just time for a couple more shots of Deltic slowing for the stop.

9 Deltic closer.JPG

 

Back under the roof again, camera carefully focussed on the bonnet of Deltic, which shows two things. One, I still haven't found the stuff that should go on the front, and two, that other things are then bound to be out of focus.

1 deltic under 1.JPG

Great shots!!

My only view of Deltic, was as a little boy in my pusher with my Gran at Mauldeth Rd station. She must have been on a test run of some description from Crewe. Deltic, not my Gran!!!

I still have the snapshot in my head of that fantastic nose rolling towards us and that amazing sound?!!!!!

Your platform shots bring it back!!! Great!

                                                        C.

[Podhunter]

...with my Gran at Mauldeth Rd station. She must have been on a test run

Did your gran go on test runs very often?

[Sandhole]

 

...with my Gran at Mauldeth Rd station. She must have been on a test run

Did your gran go on test runs very often?

 

Arf, Arf!!!!!!

                 C.

[great northern]

Huddersfield Town comes under the bridge, and is routed into Platform 6.

 

and if we look at it from the Midland lines, there's another view of Deltic too.

[Sandhole]

Huddersfield Town comes under the bridge, and is routed into Platform 6.4 1653 2.JPG

 

and if we look at it from the Midland lines, there's another view of Deltic too.

5 1653 and deltic.JPG

I'm sorry, you have done it again!!!

That second shot with sound and smell by my own imagination, model railway porn!!!!!!

Oh My Yes!!!

                          C.

[Sandhole]

I have one question.

Is your Deltic slightly weathered?

Apart from the massive impression she made on a little boy, I can't remember details.

The weathering job makes her!!

                                                 C.

[45156]

Gilbert - that second image is one of your best so far IMHO.  Even when you view it enlarged there is very little to reveal that this is a model - it's the small details that make the difference.

[great northern]

I have one question.

Is your Deltic slightly weathered?

Apart from the massive impression she made on a little boy, I can't remember details.

The weathering job makes her!!

                                                 C.

Yes, it is the weathered version. When they first came out I resisted temptation, but this one was too much to resist.

[great northern]

Gilbert - that second image is one of your best so far IMHO.  Even when you view it enlarged there is very little to reveal that this is a model - it's the small details that make the difference.

That is very kind of you. I always worry a bit about people enlarging my efforts, as my dodgy photoshopping then becomes clear, bit some areas do stand up to it better than others. I always assess pictures at 67% magnification. Anything bigger than that is at the viewer's own risk!

[great northern]

Once the B17 came to a halt we got this view, which I find totally irresistible.

 

On the B17s heels came the 2.10 York, as always the return leg of filthy Sun Stream's days work.

 

60515 is difficult to photograph at the best of times, so to try it at 3.30pm when the light had nearly gone was a rather silly thing to do. It had to be lightened rather more than I would have liked. As always, dusting was overlooked.

[KNP]

A few aerial shots...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[brylonscamel]

A few aerial shots...

 

PN24.jpg

 

PN25.jpg

 

PN26.jpg

 

PN27.jpg

 

The chimneys & pots and the ballustrade (is that the right word - maybe just 'roof fence'?) on the footbridge are a delight.